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Holter Monitor: A 24-hour EKG (electrocardiogram) that tests for the presence of PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions). This test screens for Boxer Arrythmic Cardiomyopathy, and should be repeated yearly. There is, at this time, no set number of PVCs that would be considered "affected" with BAC. A zero or low number of PVCs does not mean that the dog is free of BAC, it only means that the dog was not exhibiting PVCs during that 24-hour period. However, consistent zero/low readings on yearly Holtering would indicate a higher possibility that the dog is not affected with BAC.
I hadent herd of this before, well its not required in my breed, but this is what I found out about it so far, is this correct RedyreRottweilers
 
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Yes. A stunning number of Boxers die at a young age (before age 8) of Cardiac issues.

Testing AND FULL DISCLOSURE is very important in Boxers if a breeder cares about the future of the breed, and the puppies they are producing.
 
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RedyreRottweilers said:
Yes. A stunning number of Boxers die at a young age (before age 8) of Cardiac issues.

Testing AND FULL DISCLOSURE is very important in Boxers if a breeder cares about the future of the breed, and the puppies they are producing.
thanks for the info, i guess that I am lucky having a breed that doesnt get so many health probs
 
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Boxerowner said:
1. None of your business
2. None of your business
3. None of your business, ECT.
Wow you had no problems jumping all over Gallien for breeding and bad mouthing her. Huumm pot calling the kettle black big time.

You bred a white boxer? Lady you have nothing to say about anyone's breeding because you are the worst. Breeding completely out of standard and irresponsible at the greatest extent.
 
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Should they be bred? i know how i feel but what do you all think?
This is the very first post and Boxerowner states that this is a thread about her. Where does it say anything about you in that single comment? You must feel really guilty because you sure jump at nothing. Or do you hear voices in your head too?
 
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yuckaduck said:
This is the very first post and Boxerowner states that this is a thread about her. Where does it say anything about you in that single comment? You must feel really guilty because you sure jump at nothing. Or do you hear voices in your head too?
I'm sorry, but that is totally uncalled for.

Impugning someone's breeding ethics is one thing.

Accusing them of mental illness is another.

For shame.

Let it be about the dogs, as it should be, and not PERSONAL.
 
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RedyreRottweilers said:
I'm sorry, but that is totally uncalled for.

Impugning someone's breeding ethics is one thing.

Accusing them of mental illness is another.

For shame.

Let it be about the dogs, as it should be, and not PERSONAL.

Give me a break! This person has followed a member here who happens to be a very good friend from forum to forum, accusing her of bad breeding. Even going so far as to lie and say she was banned due to unethical breeding. When someone takes the time to stalk another person it is no longer about the dogs.:rolleyes:
 
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Yuckaduck, and that gives you license to post insulting derogatory personal remarks such as the ones above?

I think not. If you have a problem with someone, use the ignore button, or contact admin.

This is NO PLACE for such ignorant insulting and inflammatory comments.
 

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Yes I meant clear – as in passed – clear to breed from etc.

I don’t think I should have to explain myself to any of you but I will elaborate on the testing which has been done.

The Holter Monitor is as stated a 24 hour electrocardiogram that tests for the presence of Premature Ventricular Contractions. It screens for Boxer Arrythmic Cardiomyopathy and it is one of those tests that should be done yearly, which is of course my intent and has been done so far. My dog has had reliable low readings so far and they told me that it is a promising indication that there is a higher likelihood that she is not affected with Boxer Arrythmic Cardiomyopathy. But it isn’t an exact thing; it should be done yearly and can’t be taken as absolutely correct. However I chose to do it as a precautionary measure and was strongly advised to by other breeders I have spoken to.

The Cardiac Auscultation is an examination of the heart done by a stethoscope. It identifies murmurs that might be suggestion of possible Aortic stenosis.
My dog had NO murmur when done at over a year old. I was told that any dog found with either no murmur or a grade one murmur upon auscultation after 12 months of age is considered normal and fine for breeding.

The Doppler Echocardiogram was an ultrasound of her heart. It is suppose to detect abnormal flow velocities and it also aids the diagnosis of Aortic Stenosis.
My dog had a clear Doppler and I was told it is considered conclusive.

The OFA Heart test was certified as normal. It was performed by a board-certified veterinary cardiologist (as were the others for heart testing)

For the OFA Hips she had an X-ray of her joint (pelvic to be specific) to screen for hip dysplasia. She rated Excellent and was considered to be free of Hip Dysplasia.

For OFA Thyroid she had a blood test to detect autoimmune thyroiditis. It is another of the tests that should be done yearly until 4 years of age and then every other year after that. She has tested negative for that but unfortunately it does not guarantee that she will never develop thyroiditis. So far so good though!!

And the CERF testing screens for heritable eye diseases like Progessive Retinal Atrophy. It also gets repeated yearly.

Now that I have gotten that out of the way I hope it makes things slightly clear. Although I doubt it will because before I was even a member here people were bashing me for my breeding practices.

I know breeding white Boxers is considered bad by some people but trust me I have done my research on this and I don’t think it’s wrong. There are many common misconceptions out there and I have tried to clear some of them but when people won’t listen or are not interested in listening there isn’t much I can do. I want to make it known that the Sire of this litter also had all these tests done and was cleared or passed or scored acceptable for breeding, whatever you like to call it.

You can call me an irresponsible breeder if you want to but I’m not! I have done these tests, they are registered (yes I’m aware that the white pups can't be shown in conformation but they are still registered and they can be shown in obedience!) I want what is best for these dogs. I am very hopeful that I will have show quality pups here and you can disbelieve it if you wish again it is your choice. I believe I have done things right and I stick by my decision to breed my dog, I am very happy with the results and I can guarantee you that these pups will be very loved, they will have great homes and I will make sure that they are always well taken care of. You have no need to worry about this, I am responsible!

I have never seen Gallien Jacks ever provide information of her breeding practises or reasons. I have never seen her list the tests, and she has admitted that she bred at 16 months. Now everyone here that knows about breeding should be aware that proper testing can not be carried out until after 2 years. That to me indicates that proper testing was not carried out with her dogs. I don’t have friends here to back me up and I don’t expect any of you to listen but that is fine with me. I have tried to make my side a bit clearer and if it still doesn’t work then so be it.

While on the topic of posts that started this, does anyone remember this:
“From what I have learnt you cant get an albino boxer they just have a low pigmentation, i think its wrong to breed them but I don't think they should be killed either, I know someone that has bred one and they don't think they have done anything wrong I just cant get them to see it, they also said that boxers started out white? I asked them to show where they got this information and they haven't replied!”

That is about me and it simply wasn’t true! I had given her my answers and so had other people yet she chose to talk behind my back. It’s fine for her to do this but when I state FACTS and TRUTHS I get attacked.
 
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CODE OF ETHICS
American Boxer Club

This CODE OF ETHICS is set forth to protect, advance the interests of, and improve the Boxer breed; to maintain sportsmanlike competition at dog shows and events; and to promote a respect for people and dogs. American Boxer Club members are to adhere to these canons when breeding, buying, selling or competing with and exhibiting their Boxers.

Members of the American Boxer Club will conduct themselves in such a manner as to reflect credit on the sport of purebred dogs and on Boxers in particular, regardless of the location or circumstances.

AKC Rules and Regulations and THE AMERICAN BOXER CLUB BY-LAWS should be known and adhered to at all times. It is important to know the current Standard of the Breed.

ARTICLE I
Breeding

1. Breed only with the intention of improving the breed.
2. Breeders should encourage the certifying of hips, blood testing for thyroid function, and screening for heart defects and other abnormalities that would affect the health of their dogs or the offspring of same, in conjunction with the current Health & Research Committee recommendations.
3. Breed healthy, sound, typey dogs that display sound temperament and qualities and are free of severe faults.
4. Dogs offered at stud should be in good health. They should be free from Canine Brucellosis and other communicable diseases as well as disqualifying genetic faults. A written Stud Contract is essential. Monorchids are not considered breeding stock.
5. Bitches accepted for stud service should be at least eighteen months of age, in good health, free from communicable diseases and disqualifying genetic faults. A bitch must be accompanied by a current veterinarian's certificate stating that she is free of Canine Brucellosis. It is the responsibility of the stud dog owner to properly provide for all visiting bitches' safety and security. Each bitch must be bred only to the stud dog specified by her owner. A change of stud dog is only permitted with the express consent of the owner of the bitch and should be included as an amendment to the Stud Contract.
6. Bitches should be bred only between the ages of eighteen months and six years and should not whelp more than twice in any three consecutive estrus cycles.
7. Breeders will keep accurate breeding records, registration papers, pedigrees and contracts.

ARTICLE II
Maintenance

1. Tail docking and removal of dew claws are appropriate for the breed; ears may be cropped or uncropped. Any surgical procedures are to be performed humanely. Corrective cosmetic surgery will not be performed on Boxers. When such corrective surgery becomes a necessity, the dog will no longer be exhibited, if such alteration is not in accordance with stated AKC policies.
2. Members of The American Boxer Club will maintain their Boxers' condition, health and quarters in a manner that is above reproach.

ARTICLE III
Registration
There are two ways to register puppies for the first time with the AKC registration application.

1. Full Registration
Boxers who are sound, healthy, typey, considered to be of breeding quality, and who are free of disqualifying faults under the Standard of the Breed may be provided with full registration.

2. Limited Registration
American Boxer Club Members are encouraged to provide limited registration for the following:
1. Boxers being purchased only as registered companion pets.
2. Boxers that are not considered sound, or not of breeding quality, including monorchids.
3. Boxers of any color not allowed by the standard. Such a Boxer will be placed on a contract, to be signed and a copy retained by all parties, that includes the following provisions:
1. Limited registration will be provided upon completion of a spay/neuter.
2. The new owner will give the breeder a deposit to cover the amount of spay/neuter. This deposit will be returned upon presentation of a certification from a veterinarian that the procedure has taken place.
3. The breeder may charge veterinary expenses directly related to the puppy.

Buyers should be informed, where limited AKC registration is involved, that any get of their Boxer will be ineligible for AKC registration. The breeder of the dog can cancel the limited registration, should the puppy at maturity be considered of breeding quality. Providing limited registration is a voluntary action; alternatively, registration papers can be withheld entirely, and the buyer can apply to the AKC for an Indefinite Listing Privilege (ILP).

ARTICLE IV
Sales

1. All sales of puppies and adults should include:
1. AKC registration application papers
2. Signed Bill of Sale
3. An accurate three generation pedigree
4. ABC Brochure and/or copy of the Standard of the Breed
5. Health record including shots given, diet and care information

Note: Registration papers may be withheld at the time of the sale in such cases of prior agreement in writing.

Example: Spay/neuter agreement; Breeding/Lease agreement or other similar contracted agreement, which would delay transfer of ownership until completion of contract.

2. If possible, puppies should remain in their litter environment until at least 7 weeks of age* (see note below).
3. Purchasers should be urged to spay or neuter all pets.
4. Misleading or untruthful statements must not be used in the selling or advertising of puppies. Misrepresentation of American Boxer Club awards, AKC, and/or foreign titles must be carefully avoided.
5. American Boxer Club Members will at all times strive to be accurate and honest to the best of their ability in appraising the quality of Boxers being offered for sale or placement with reference to the Standard of the Breed.
6. All contracts must be clear and complete with any and all conditions stated. A signed copy must be provided to each party involved.
7. During the life of any Boxer sold or placed, the breeder should endeavor to help the owner in every reasonable way.
8. Prospective buyers should be screened on their desire and ultimate intent for each Boxer. Their interest and ability to provide a safe, adequate and loving home should be determined. Fenced yards and crates should be recommended.
9. American Boxer Club members and member clubs will help educate the public on the Standard of the Breed and care of the Boxer in areas where they are qualified.

*Note: Some States have laws that puppies cannot be separated from their mothers until 8 weeks of age. Check your local and state regulations.

ARTICLE V
Infractions
The Boxer Standard defines the following disqualifications: "Boxers that are any color other than fawn or brindle. Boxers with a total of white markings exceeding one-third of the entire coat."

The following infractions are considered to be actions contrary to the best interest of the breed and/or the American Boxer Club:

1. Full registration with the American Kennel Club of a Boxer of any color not allowed by the Standard adopted for the breed by the American Boxer Club, approved by the American Kennel Club and in force at the time of the Infraction.
2. Providing an application for full registration with the American Kennel Club of a Boxer of any color not allowed by the Standard.
3. Signing an application for registration with the American Kennel Club of a litter whose sire and/or dam are of a color not allowed by the Standard.
4. Selling or consigning for resale a Boxer whose sire and/or dam are of a color not allowed by the Standard.
5. Selling, consigning or disposing of a puppy or an adult Boxer to a pet shop, chain of pet shops or any commercial kennel for resale.

Charges may be brought against a member or a member club for actions listed in this Article, as defined in Article VIII, Section 2 of the By-Laws of the American Boxer Club.


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Boxerowner, i dont think you read everything do you? you seem to only read what you want to, you are still asking questions that have been cleared up how many times do they have to be gone over?
 
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While on the topic of posts that started this, does anyone remember this:
“From what I have learnt you cant get an albino boxer they just have a low pigmentation, i think its wrong to breed them but I don't think they should be killed either, I know someone that has bred one and they don't think they have done anything wrong I just cant get them to see it, they also said that boxers started out white? I asked them to show where they got this information and they haven't replied!”

That is about me and it simply wasn’t true! I had given her my answers and so had other people yet she chose to talk behind my back. It’s fine for her to do this but when I state FACTS and TRUTHS I get attacked.
Sharky where there does it say anything about you? No one talked behind your back because there was no names given no indication of who was being thought of. I think you are extremely irresponsible for breeding a white boxer. That is my personal opinion, but it is your business and whether I approve or not it is your choice.

I have been called irresponsible too, and I know I am not so there you go. I do however refuse to post my tests and my pedigrees because I feel that is my business and those who are buying my pups business and no one elses. I do not wish to advertise here because it simply is not the place to do so.

See the internet is full of all kinds of people and all kinds of thoughts but for you to travel from forum to forum attacking people...wow get a life. Find a hobby or something because it is extremely immature and it is unapprecaited. I am a simple person to get along with and I rarely name call or get personal but when people make it personal as you have....well what else can be done. I have contacted a moderator about the comments made by you and a few others, in an attmept to keep this forum as friendly as possible and as was suggested already...the ignore button is extremely useful. Be a valued member here, stop bashing others and post for yourself.
 

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" I have contacted a moderator about the comments made by you and a few others"


What comments? It looks to me that you are the one attacking ppl!
 

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She just replied with what testing she's had done, what more do you want? She seems to be getting ganged up on and I don't think Yuckaduck should be able to call her mental. That is attacking! She brings up a good point too, you can not have proper testing until 2 years, are we going to ignore that part?
 
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boxerlover FYI Jack russell's only need to be tested for the one thing that they can inherit and that is Primary lens luxation or juvenile cataracts (which ever you want to call it), this can be done on a litter, the dog does not have to be over a certain age to do this, Because jacks haven't been registered for very long there isn't a long list of genetic health probs because no line breeding has been done, pure working dogs did not need to be line bred
 
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Bichonmum said:
She just replied with what testing she's had done, what more do you want? She seems to be getting ganged up on and I don't think Yuckaduck should be able to call her mental. That is attacking! She brings up a good point too, you can not have proper testing until 2 years, are we going to ignore that part?
I never called anyone mental....where did you make that up from?
 
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