When is a mutt no longer a mutt?
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(this is just a funny) When a dog can breed true then its a purebreed???? So if I breed my mutt to another mutt and it gives me more mutts does that mean its a purebreed mutt???? lol Will the AKC consider my puebreed mutts as a breed now?? Can I show with the big guys now??? Westminester here I come !!!! lol
BTW..I have ACDS and Aussies...No mixing going on here
BTW..I have ACDS and Aussies...No mixing going on here
You are going to need several generations to prove that it is going to breed true. After 100 years some breeds still throw some very odd puppies, so just a few generations is not enough. No one is saying that a goldendoodle x goldendoodle would be purebred (some puppies would still look like poodles, others goldens, and others goldendoodle). In 10 years you might have something approaching it though.
The Labradoodle, though, has been around for a very long time. They STILL are not consistent. It not only takes time to get a consistent dog, but it takes more dedication than most people these days are willing to contribute. That is why these "new breeds" are so typey, there's no consistency at all. There's variations in every purebreed, but it's pretty predictable when done right.
Funny you should ask that! Some rare breed registries say "yes" about the AKC. Check out this Coton link, especially the telephone conversation and the diagram: http://netpet.batw.net/russell/akcfss.html
Extract: "...instituted by the AKC in 1995. The FSS--Foundation Stock Service--is the AKC's answer to unwilling breed takeovers. The AKC claims that the Foundation Stock Service "is provided by the AKC to help new breeds develop and establish breeding records."
...there are more than 14,500 Cotons on the European Continent. The CTCA has almost 600 Cotons in its registry with complete three-generation pedigrees. ...The Coton has been in North America since 1974... Why, then, do 11 of the [only] 15 AKC-FSS dogs have [no three generation pedigrees]?
According to an AKC spokesman, Cotons that are now called "Founding Stock" will become the basis for the AKC's Official Coton registry "some years from now." And, when the breed is recognized by the AKC, all those founding dogs who have incomplete or absent pedigrees will be "dropped from the AKC registry." ...the great grandchildren of these unpedigreed dogs will be considered full-blooded AKC Cotons, while their parent's, grandparents, and great-grandparents will be summarily removed from public view."
The plot thickens!! I know nothing about this myself to have an opinion BTW, but found it very interesting while researching Cotons.
Del.
Extract: "...instituted by the AKC in 1995. The FSS--Foundation Stock Service--is the AKC's answer to unwilling breed takeovers. The AKC claims that the Foundation Stock Service "is provided by the AKC to help new breeds develop and establish breeding records."
...there are more than 14,500 Cotons on the European Continent. The CTCA has almost 600 Cotons in its registry with complete three-generation pedigrees. ...The Coton has been in North America since 1974... Why, then, do 11 of the [only] 15 AKC-FSS dogs have [no three generation pedigrees]?
According to an AKC spokesman, Cotons that are now called "Founding Stock" will become the basis for the AKC's Official Coton registry "some years from now." And, when the breed is recognized by the AKC, all those founding dogs who have incomplete or absent pedigrees will be "dropped from the AKC registry." ...the great grandchildren of these unpedigreed dogs will be considered full-blooded AKC Cotons, while their parent's, grandparents, and great-grandparents will be summarily removed from public view."
The plot thickens!! I know nothing about this myself to have an opinion BTW, but found it very interesting while researching Cotons.
Del.
I agree. I think that there is a "push" for designer dog breeds, which is sad because sometimes two different breeds do not need to be breed (ie. large male, small female). "Designer Breeds" seem to be bred for money, not for the benefit of the breed. However, there are "mutts" that have been bred since the 50's and 60's in hopes of creating a new breed- for instance, cockapoo- not a "new" designer breed at all. The reason for creating this new breed? A close to "hypoallerginic dog" with fur, a small dog with great intelligence, great with kids (not that there aren't small dogs that don't fit that description). I know that I personally had a third generation cockapoo, and there is a standard trying to be created. My breeder did OFA and CERF testing and was very aware of bloodlines.
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It becomes a breed when two of those dogs are bred together and produce the same characteristics the parents have every time. In other words, they produce consistently. This is what the breed standard is for. It establishes the look and temperament of what the breed is suppose to be. Once the mix produces those characteristics in its litters every time it is no longer a mix. It takes hundreds of years to produce this. That's why the breeds you see today have hundreds of years of history. That's how long it took to selective breed them. (Breed for the desired traits, throw out the non-desirable traits).
Goldendoodles are still a mix breed dog because they haven't been around very long, they don't have consistency, and their is a lot of myths floating around about them. Same goes with all the other designer mixes.
Goldendoodles are still a mix breed dog because they haven't been around very long, they don't have consistency, and their is a lot of myths floating around about them. Same goes with all the other designer mixes.