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Reggin, if you like the look of the min pin but still want snuggly--my Manchester is the best of both worlds. I love there sharp black and tan looks and Zippy is the most velcro, heat seeking, snuggly dog I've ever seen LOL! Toy Manchesters can weigh as little as 8lbs or less (with a max of 12lbs) and the standard manchesters can weigh as much as 22lbs or so. Zippy here is about 17lbs although he was bred to be a toy.