What is the Worst.....
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Argon- Smack his @ss for his DA. Second place goes to the perrenial "Alpha Roll him"
Neon- Put a muzzle on him and let him loose around kids (he's quite child aggressive). That way he'll get over it, but can't bite them. Absolutly. Why don't I traumatize a bunch of children by letting a snarling dog chase them around, and traumatize my dog by being surrounded by the creatures that terrify him more than anything.
Neon- Put a muzzle on him and let him loose around kids (he's quite child aggressive). That way he'll get over it, but can't bite them. Absolutly. Why don't I traumatize a bunch of children by letting a snarling dog chase them around, and traumatize my dog by being surrounded by the creatures that terrify him more than anything.
Someone told me to step on Caesar's back paws when he jumps up on you to get him to stop jumping. This person was over at my house at the time and proceeded to demonstrate this method on MY dog.. stepped hard on poor Caesar's back paw when he jumped up. (And this was after the guy rewarded Caesar for jumping on him by petting him. Poor Caesar was so confused!)
someone at a protection club told me to use a piece of hose and smack Gunnar across the muzzle to cure his DA. I never did it, I just avoid things like the dog park and keep leashed and under control when strange dogs are around. He's only reactive when the dog gets too close. Like don't try and sniff is butt if he's not looking, I hate it when people let their dogs get too close without asking.
I haven't had too many people say much. But one neighbor told me, "you gotta show 'em who's boss or they'll take over." When I was walking with Toker, before she could walk on a leash very well at all, said, "You gotta put her in her place." Some time later, after she had learned how to walk pretty nicely on the leash, was actually heeling and watching me, as I'm doling out the treats, he was in his yard and said, "I'm gonna have to teach Blue (his dog's name) to heel...haven't gotten around to that yet." This is the guy I saw down at the little store once scruff his dog hard, yell at her and throw her against the wall of the building for wandering away from him while he was on the phone. I told him off then. I should have reported him. I barely speak to him when I see him, just the barest minimum. He ruined his dog. She was a cute little Lab mix puppy...outgoing regular, nice lab temperament and now she is weird. She looks so tentative all the time, comes rushing out toward us when I'm walking on the road, not sure if she should be friendly or not. If he's around, he yells at her to come back. As irritating as she is, I never say anything to her, like "go home" because I don't want to bring his wrath onto her. It's just pathetic. I've seen him be so harsh to her.
So, basically, I've mostly only had people say general things like that....from what I remember....other than years ago when I took my GSD to a puppy class. He pulled so badly on the leash, I wasn't strong enough. The "trainer" just kept yelling at me (yes, yelling) to jerk him, "Jerk him harder" ...with a choke chain. That didn't faze him. He was literally dragging me around the ring. I handed the leash to her and said, "You jerk him." She wasn't strong enough either and I snickered when he out strengthed her and pulled her all over the ring. She didn't know what to do to fix the problem. After that class, I never went back. I knew there had to be a better way. This was about 30 years ago. I just worked with him at home, away from those distractions and he did fine. I still used collar corrections then though and a choke chain. But I didn't feel right about jerking him too hard. I'm sure glad I found better methods later.
When I had Lyric in his first puppy kindergarten class, the trainer was pretty nice to the dogs generally. But when Lyric, pee pee'd in her dirt floor arena, she instructed me to scold him, "Tell him loudly, "No, no, no!!" in no uncertain terms. I didn't. Not only was it after the fact, but that's not how I deal with potty training, especially with a sensitive dog. I walked him quickly outside and then came in to clean up after him with a scooper she had. (the dirt where he peed.)
You guys have some pretty amazing stories about idiots. Holy cow!
To think of what other peoples' dogs are put through is really disheartening.
So, basically, I've mostly only had people say general things like that....from what I remember....other than years ago when I took my GSD to a puppy class. He pulled so badly on the leash, I wasn't strong enough. The "trainer" just kept yelling at me (yes, yelling) to jerk him, "Jerk him harder" ...with a choke chain. That didn't faze him. He was literally dragging me around the ring. I handed the leash to her and said, "You jerk him." She wasn't strong enough either and I snickered when he out strengthed her and pulled her all over the ring. She didn't know what to do to fix the problem. After that class, I never went back. I knew there had to be a better way. This was about 30 years ago. I just worked with him at home, away from those distractions and he did fine. I still used collar corrections then though and a choke chain. But I didn't feel right about jerking him too hard. I'm sure glad I found better methods later.
When I had Lyric in his first puppy kindergarten class, the trainer was pretty nice to the dogs generally. But when Lyric, pee pee'd in her dirt floor arena, she instructed me to scold him, "Tell him loudly, "No, no, no!!" in no uncertain terms. I didn't. Not only was it after the fact, but that's not how I deal with potty training, especially with a sensitive dog. I walked him quickly outside and then came in to clean up after him with a scooper she had. (the dirt where he peed.)
You guys have some pretty amazing stories about idiots. Holy cow!
To think of what other peoples' dogs are put through is really disheartening.
That's what my Dad use to tell me when I was a kid. He was so old school, it was awful. I told my Dad incredulously, "I'm not going to step on a dog's toes." I don't know what I did back then...probably just pushed the dog back and said, "no." I don't even remember. I was such a dog lover from the start, no way. Even though I wound up using pretty bossy, compulsive methods, I could never be very harsh with them.
Hold a barking, bouncing 12 week old male Collie puppy's mouth shut when he barks and hold it until he yelps. Needless to say, we never did this, but they were adamant I had to hold it until he screamed or it wouldn't work. (I was there for socialization ... he could do every exercise they taught in puppy class by the age of 8 weeks).
Sounds like the "Monks."
Probably the dumbest thing I ever heard was how to teach "drop it." When the dog's holding something you want, you're supposed to pull his collar way up on his neck, just below his chin, and tighten it so that you put pressure under his jaw. Eventually he'll have to let go of the item because his jaw will not be able to stay closed with the pressure underneath it this way. It works best if you pull the collar just behind his ears and push on top of his head to get good leverage. But, be careful with this method with chihuahuas, who might have that soft spot on the top of their head. This also came from a trainer who said she was "ALL positive reinforcement" - she did give the dog a treat after he dropped the item.
Probably the dumbest thing I ever heard was how to teach "drop it." When the dog's holding something you want, you're supposed to pull his collar way up on his neck, just below his chin, and tighten it so that you put pressure under his jaw. Eventually he'll have to let go of the item because his jaw will not be able to stay closed with the pressure underneath it this way. It works best if you pull the collar just behind his ears and push on top of his head to get good leverage. But, be careful with this method with chihuahuas, who might have that soft spot on the top of their head.
This also came from a trainer who said she was "ALL positive reinforcement" - she did give the dog a treat after he dropped the item.
OMG! Those people are such idiots. Don't ya just love it how so many trainers say they're "positive reinforcement" trainers or they use "gentle methods" and then you find out that they mistreat dogs something awful!?!? It infuriates me how they lie to the public. It's so ridiculous when there are so much better ways to teach them with no drama, no roughness, no power struggle, no domineering, show 'em who's boss crap...just calm, pleasant, trading games, and attaching a cue. Simple, painless, calm, increases the trust your dog has in you. I just don't understand what is wrong with people!!! Grrrr.
That's the thing, though, the trainer I talked about didn't KNOW she wasn't being "+R," she actually thought that WAS +R. She didnt' think she was lying, and it would be difficult to convince her that she was.
That's why I'm such a stickler about getting the "terms" right. I know that it annoys a lot of people, but how are we supposed to communicate what we do if we all have different definitions?? *stepping off the soapbox now*
That's why I'm such a stickler about getting the "terms" right. I know that it annoys a lot of people, but how are we supposed to communicate what we do if we all have different definitions?? *stepping off the soapbox now*
We have a very...physical....woman in my dog club. She has trained a dog to an OTCH (or two) (Goldens & Shelties), so people do look to her for advice on different issues.
She does use positive reinforcement at times. However, her Sheltie doesn't work for "fun" and isn't a confident dog, and her Golden is DA and also not very confident. Most of what I've seen her "teach" is rough handling and just plain meanness.....
For example, we had a new member. Her Sheltie, who was very obviously fearful of strangers and lacked some confidence, had a lagging problem when heeling. *Jane* thought she could help cure the lagging by the scruff-grab - basically grabbing the dog's hair at the scruff and yanking. Watching *Jane* scruff this poor, shivering dog over and over again around the ring was disgusting.
Needless to say, I stay away from *Jane.*
She does use positive reinforcement at times. However, her Sheltie doesn't work for "fun" and isn't a confident dog, and her Golden is DA and also not very confident. Most of what I've seen her "teach" is rough handling and just plain meanness.....
For example, we had a new member. Her Sheltie, who was very obviously fearful of strangers and lacked some confidence, had a lagging problem when heeling. *Jane* thought she could help cure the lagging by the scruff-grab - basically grabbing the dog's hair at the scruff and yanking. Watching *Jane* scruff this poor, shivering dog over and over again around the ring was disgusting.
Needless to say, I stay away from *Jane.*
Lol! I'm just curious, it's something unusual... Seriously, for what reason?
My dog trainer is so soft-spoken, Sean really enjoys being with him... I think he's just gifted, he can even train birds to jump, monkeys to play basketball... I was really amazed by him... I dont know how he do that... He just told me, be calm when your talking to your dogs, they're not just pets, they're also our friends so you must respect them if you want them to follow you...
My dog trainer is so soft-spoken, Sean really enjoys being with him... I think he's just gifted, he can even train birds to jump, monkeys to play basketball... I was really amazed by him... I dont know how he do that... He just told me, be calm when your talking to your dogs, they're not just pets, they're also our friends so you must respect them if you want them to follow you...