we are not here to make all think the same way as we do, there will always be things that we have different views on, i have met lots of breeders who breed for show and others that breed working dogs, most dont like each other because of different views, some get along which is great, heather was a member for a while and as soon as her back is turned she is bashed, i think tis time to move on, what good is this doing?