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I hope someone can get the word out this person has no business breeding dogs. If she'd breed these, she'll breed anything and as most have already thought, what about those unsuspecting buyers?
You know it's kinda funny, altho not, but when she was "called out" on the "other forum",,there were some from this forum who went over there and stood by her. She had quite a fan club here in the beginning.Now she's pulled the same "bull" number here that she did over there and I'm sure she's moved on to do the same thing somewhere else.
Very sad in the end for these dogs.
Diane
You know it's kinda funny, altho not, but when she was "called out" on the "other forum",,there were some from this forum who went over there and stood by her. She had quite a fan club here in the beginning.Now she's pulled the same "bull" number here that she did over there and I'm sure she's moved on to do the same thing somewhere else.
Very sad in the end for these dogs.
Diane
There are a few of us here who knew what she was about all along but people kept defending her, so we backed off. I hate to be an "I told you so" but here we are. And all of this breeding is being done at the advice and guidance of her "mentor"? There isn't 1 person who is knowledgable about GSD's who would advise her to do this. All of these dogs will be placed as personal protection and police dogs? That's what she always said right? Now she's taking deposits from anyone who will pay it seems.
So now we have a back yard breeder who is breeding 2 dogs of unknown origin, both with aggression issues (Yukon who chases and attacks everything, pees on her leg, isn't housebroken, and Hope, who is banished to the kennel because she bit one of her kids). No police agency would take dogs like this, so they will go to private homes with children because she insists that these are good strong dogs and great with kids. Exactly what the GSD breed needs. It makes me so angry but what can be done.
So now we have a back yard breeder who is breeding 2 dogs of unknown origin, both with aggression issues (Yukon who chases and attacks everything, pees on her leg, isn't housebroken, and Hope, who is banished to the kennel because she bit one of her kids). No police agency would take dogs like this, so they will go to private homes with children because she insists that these are good strong dogs and great with kids. Exactly what the GSD breed needs. It makes me so angry but what can be done.
I hate to bring a personal convo between heather and I into this but I have to just point out one thing.
She stated to me that Yukon has overcome his aggression which was caused by abuse and is 100% trustworthy. but what I want to know is how did that happen in less than a month
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18296
She clearly states here that he chases people down and attacks and he actually seeks them out to do this. and it also states that he is too aggressive to pursue that kind of training um WHAT??!!
Also how did he pass all his tests at 13 months old? and with a shoulder injury to boot
Yes I actually took the time to go back and check these out. Sad I know but I needed to reinforce what I believed was going on which was lies
She stated to me that Yukon has overcome his aggression which was caused by abuse and is 100% trustworthy. but what I want to know is how did that happen in less than a month
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18296
She clearly states here that he chases people down and attacks and he actually seeks them out to do this. and it also states that he is too aggressive to pursue that kind of training um WHAT??!!
Also how did he pass all his tests at 13 months old? and with a shoulder injury to boot
Yes I actually took the time to go back and check these out. Sad I know but I needed to reinforce what I believed was going on which was lies
Boxer*mom, I have already deduced that when this crashes down that will be the line that is used to save face. I believe that was already used once when someone had a pic of Yukon up as a stud dog, and she blamed it on a friend of hers. Now I seriously doubt it was a friend, considering we know he's not neutered. That was her whole sob story, about her friend posting that KNOWING that he was fixed!
Grammy, knowing her from several dog forums and how much her stories have changed, I don't think her husband has anything do to with this. Somehow I think he is one of those guys who goes to work and does his job and leaves the dogs to her. Why does she need this mentor and all if her husband is running the show and she's being forced to go along? It's all one story after another until the truth is so far gone that the lies are what she believes as truth. She has posts elsewhere from last summer where her husband was the one who got peed on, and Yukon only listened to her, etc etc etc. Now it's the complete opposite? Each forum brings a different story, slightly changed from the last. Thats why she hated me, because I went thru the whole ordeal from start to end on another forum and when she started in with you guys here I couldn't stand back and listen to it all again.
Just so you know- since she always said I was "following her from forum to forum"- this website with the breeding info was brought to my attention by another forum member who was searching for working dog breeders on the internet. I thought that some people here might be interested in seeing what was going on. Those of you who she deceived, and those who saw through the veil. Now the truth is out.
Grammy, knowing her from several dog forums and how much her stories have changed, I don't think her husband has anything do to with this. Somehow I think he is one of those guys who goes to work and does his job and leaves the dogs to her. Why does she need this mentor and all if her husband is running the show and she's being forced to go along? It's all one story after another until the truth is so far gone that the lies are what she believes as truth. She has posts elsewhere from last summer where her husband was the one who got peed on, and Yukon only listened to her, etc etc etc. Now it's the complete opposite? Each forum brings a different story, slightly changed from the last. Thats why she hated me, because I went thru the whole ordeal from start to end on another forum and when she started in with you guys here I couldn't stand back and listen to it all again.
Just so you know- since she always said I was "following her from forum to forum"- this website with the breeding info was brought to my attention by another forum member who was searching for working dog breeders on the internet. I thought that some people here might be interested in seeing what was going on. Those of you who she deceived, and those who saw through the veil. Now the truth is out.
It depends on what story you heard. She posted originally that Hope was a rescue. Then she posted that she purchased her from a rescue or something like that and that we were wrong (even though you could go back and read the old posts) There were several spins, so who knows what to believe. That was one of the things that she didn't like, was people asking her for pedigree info on Hope, since she insisted she was from strong working lines, etc, but wouldn't share the info. Anyone who is into GSDs and has a working dog normally doesn't have a problem sharing the pedigree especially if they plan on breeding.
I'm in southern Ontario, and am familiar with the GSD Rescues here. I don't know of a REPUTABLE RESCUE who would have sold her an intact female or male for that matter. This just has me so pi**ed off. no name calling that doesn't care what she does with the innocent, fur babies. And don't make any mistake about it, she is breeding BABIES(less than 2 yr old) to make more babies, and they're all innocents who may very well be bought only to be bred or abused again
I truly believe that if you post personal information on the Internet, then you're setting yourself up for public scrutiny. Heather made it very clear several times that Yukon was neutered and she had no qualms about taking a strip off anyone who was involved in irresponsible breeding of any kind. She threw the words "mutt" and "BYBs" around at every opportunity.
Now if we believe that her advertisement is legitimate, then it proves she is no different from the backyard breeders that she despises so much. The fact is that Yukon is too young to be tested for breeding and anyone familiar with GSD conformation will recognize that Hope is not a dog that most breeders would use in their breeding program. Conformation aside, Heather stated that she wanted to breed working dogs for law enforcement, yet neither of her "breeding dogs" are titled, much less worked, in any type of program that would assess their working ability.
So...no testing, no titles, no pedigree, no conformation ratings. Her breeding is no different from the neighbour down the street who throws their two dogs together to sell a few puppies. And guess where many of those puppies end up when they start to show health and temperament problems? The shelters. Just take a look at the number of GSDs listed on Petfinder - and that doesn't include the dogs that don't make it to the adoptable list due to any number of issues. Shepherds - and many other breeds - are euthanized on a daily basis and all of those dogs started out as innocent pups that had all of the potential in the world.
I don't see a lack of humanity in these threads at all. In fact, I see an outpouring of humanity - not for this "breeder" - but for the innnocent pups and unsuspecting buyers of people who breed without a care for anything but making a buck.
And that's my rant....
Now if we believe that her advertisement is legitimate, then it proves she is no different from the backyard breeders that she despises so much. The fact is that Yukon is too young to be tested for breeding and anyone familiar with GSD conformation will recognize that Hope is not a dog that most breeders would use in their breeding program. Conformation aside, Heather stated that she wanted to breed working dogs for law enforcement, yet neither of her "breeding dogs" are titled, much less worked, in any type of program that would assess their working ability.
So...no testing, no titles, no pedigree, no conformation ratings. Her breeding is no different from the neighbour down the street who throws their two dogs together to sell a few puppies. And guess where many of those puppies end up when they start to show health and temperament problems? The shelters. Just take a look at the number of GSDs listed on Petfinder - and that doesn't include the dogs that don't make it to the adoptable list due to any number of issues. Shepherds - and many other breeds - are euthanized on a daily basis and all of those dogs started out as innocent pups that had all of the potential in the world.
I don't see a lack of humanity in these threads at all. In fact, I see an outpouring of humanity - not for this "breeder" - but for the innnocent pups and unsuspecting buyers of people who breed without a care for anything but making a buck.
And that's my rant....
I simply asked if Hope and Yukon had their certs and titles, called her a BYB and admitted that I followed her there *laughing*
Oh and I guess in a round about way I called her a liar when I said that she moves from forum to forum as people find her lies.
I've never been banned before, but, have to say the only reason why I mind this one is that I can't see what she replied to me.
Oh and I guess in a round about way I called her a liar when I said that she moves from forum to forum as people find her lies.
I've never been banned before, but, have to say the only reason why I mind this one is that I can't see what she replied to me.
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