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No good deed goes unpunished!
No good deed goes unpunished!
Walmart employees fired for disarming gunman
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Wow, just wow!
I agree with the police officer here. Regardless of policy, if they felt they were protecting their own lives, I should think they're within their rights. They said they felt they had no option, with the door closed. And I also agree that it's not about the store "protecting" them, but protecting their own arses. In some scenarios, it may well be safer to back off and let the gunman have an out. But who would know? Alot of criminals of this sort don't like leaving witnesses either. I hope this creep is on his 3rd strike....if that really makes any difference.
I get the policy and being standard and all, but I think there may be some exceptions. All in all, normally...it's probably best to not antagonize the criminal even more.
I agree with the police officer here. Regardless of policy, if they felt they were protecting their own lives, I should think they're within their rights. They said they felt they had no option, with the door closed. And I also agree that it's not about the store "protecting" them, but protecting their own arses. In some scenarios, it may well be safer to back off and let the gunman have an out. But who would know? Alot of criminals of this sort don't like leaving witnesses either. I hope this creep is on his 3rd strike....if that really makes any difference.
I get the policy and being standard and all, but I think there may be some exceptions. All in all, normally...it's probably best to not antagonize the criminal even more.
^ Yep indeedy. I would help them load whatever they wanted and thank them for choosing Walmart!!
Back when, my second job was at a gas station (Clark) and it was always the evening weekend shift. My boss told me if someone attempted to rob us just let it be, cooperate, and call the cops as soon as I could. I told him NO PROBLEM, I wouldn't attempt to save Clark property and risk me or anyone else kthx.........I told him I'd even point the way to the floor safe (he wasn't amused!) :lol-sign:
Defending my own home/family..........different story than defending a retail property. I don't call it being a sheep to cooperate and try to keep everyone happy and safe.........I call it being wise because those things can go very bad with one wrong move and it's just not worth it. If the robber/s are hurting people (bashing folks around etc) then it becomes a different case IMO and if that WERE the case and I had opportunity to do something I would whether it went against company policy or not. I know myself well enough to be certain of that.
Back when, my second job was at a gas station (Clark) and it was always the evening weekend shift. My boss told me if someone attempted to rob us just let it be, cooperate, and call the cops as soon as I could. I told him NO PROBLEM, I wouldn't attempt to save Clark property and risk me or anyone else kthx.........I told him I'd even point the way to the floor safe (he wasn't amused!) :lol-sign:
Defending my own home/family..........different story than defending a retail property. I don't call it being a sheep to cooperate and try to keep everyone happy and safe.........I call it being wise because those things can go very bad with one wrong move and it's just not worth it. If the robber/s are hurting people (bashing folks around etc) then it becomes a different case IMO and if that WERE the case and I had opportunity to do something I would whether it went against company policy or not. I know myself well enough to be certain of that.
No no.........I don't disagree with what they did, not at all! I was just commenting on defending retail PROPERTY (cash or merchandise)
A gun in his back was a definite threat and not just an act of robbing the store IMO, in that case I would have wanted someone to take him down and off of me too! That goes along with the "hurting people" in my post above..........he was in a good position to REALLY hurt someone with a loaded gun pressed against his back, I'm glad their actions didn't make things worse, but in that case I think doing something was better than doing nothing.
A gun in his back was a definite threat and not just an act of robbing the store IMO, in that case I would have wanted someone to take him down and off of me too! That goes along with the "hurting people" in my post above..........he was in a good position to REALLY hurt someone with a loaded gun pressed against his back, I'm glad their actions didn't make things worse, but in that case I think doing something was better than doing nothing.
This was a case of the instinct of self preservation, strong in all animals EXCEPT sheep. When they're tackled to the ground for shearing, they stop all resistance. I think these anti-gun people from countries where the government has treated them AS sheep for centuries have laid down so long that they've lost that instinct and become sheep. They're trying to do that here now too with brainwashing kids in schools to think like sheep, to mistake the controlling efforts of our government to be good for them. But there are still those of us who are not ready to lie down. I notice people from England, Canada, Australia and some other European countries make up the majority of anti-gun people here. There's a very different history between those countries and America. Americans don't have a history of relying on their government entities to do for them, anywhere from paying for their livelihoods (insurance, medical care, etc etc etc) to total protection from vicious criminals.
To keep criticizing or mocking those who believe in citizens' rights to have guns for self defence, in citizens' rights to defend themselves OR a 3rd party innocent is spinning your wheels. You'll never convince true American patriots that they should follow in those sheep foot-steps and lie down for the predators to do what they will. NEVER!
This Walmart employee who had no way out, who had a gun pressed hard into his back, fearing for his life and who had an opportunity to thwart this piece of human garbage, did so out of the instinct of self preservation. We all know what happens to sheep when when a wolf has them cornered.
I would be surprised if they don't get their jobs back. Of course, with our justice system going the way it does, nothing much surprises me too much. I hope they pursue it and get themselves some good lawyers.
To keep criticizing or mocking those who believe in citizens' rights to have guns for self defence, in citizens' rights to defend themselves OR a 3rd party innocent is spinning your wheels. You'll never convince true American patriots that they should follow in those sheep foot-steps and lie down for the predators to do what they will. NEVER!
This Walmart employee who had no way out, who had a gun pressed hard into his back, fearing for his life and who had an opportunity to thwart this piece of human garbage, did so out of the instinct of self preservation. We all know what happens to sheep when when a wolf has them cornered.
I would be surprised if they don't get their jobs back. Of course, with our justice system going the way it does, nothing much surprises me too much. I hope they pursue it and get themselves some good lawyers.
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