Thinking about Breeding.......

[mrose_s]

I'll leave this up tot he people that know more than me but I wanted to say congratulations and thankyu for wanting to educate yourself before breeding, I would love to breed one day. But my first dog of that breed I will not intend on breeding, showing or working yes but thats to learn about my breed, find a good mentor that can take you through everything, gather allt he info you can so you can answer any prospective buys questions about the breed, get your foundation bitch, show/work, health test and I believe every dog shoul be temp tested aswell.

If you want to breed, its to improve the breed, to ensure future generations have less health problems and are closer to standard then ever before

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Ok, but I have a question. JRT's are more of a working dog than a show dog right? So looks aren't everything with JRT's right?

What if this dog was proved an amazing working dog? Should she still not breed it because it doesn't have a lot of color?

I am just a bit confused here because if I wanted a working breed dog like the JRT I would be more concerned if it could actually do the work and was healthy than what it looked like.

 

[PWCorgi]

You talk about showing, but as far as I know Jack Russell Terriers aren't even recognized by AKC anymore.

 

[FrenchKissed]

You talk about showing, but as far as I know Jack Russell Terriers aren't even recognized by AKC anymore.

They were renamed the Parsons Russle terrier...still the same breed though.

 

[PWCorgi]

They were renamed the Parsons Russle terrier...still the same breed though.

I thought they had different body structure?
lol, shows how much I know

 

[Xerxes]

The first thing I would do is to start here:

http://www.akc.org/breeds/parson_russell_terrier/index.cfm

This will give you an idea if your bitch is up to standard.

Personally I would not breed any bitch until at least 2.5 yrs old. That's just me though, I do know some breeders that will finish their dogs and put them into the breeding program at 1.5-2 yrs of age. That's too early in my estimation.

The ACA is not a preferred registry with hobby breeders. The reason for this is that registering with the ACA does not even require a pedigree. Heck, according to their site you don't even have to provide breed information.

The ACA does have events. http://www.acacanines.com/ACA%20Website%202007/dogshows.html"]

However it doesn't appear that they are too interested in conformation events at all. The health certifications that the registry offers are, for the most part, a joke.

I tend to agree with Hounded and the majority of the others on this thread so far. You would better serve the breed and yourself by becoming involved in the breed, finding a mentor and spaying the bitch you have now. When it's tme for a new pup, purchase one from show lines, as a conformation dog, and prove her in the show ring and in performance events. That's when you'll truly know what you have.

One of the biggest beefs I have with breeders is that most breeders do not make provision for taking back ALL of the dogs that they've bred. A breeder is responsible for those pups for life. One of my friends was expecting a litter and had 4 adult dogs returned to her for various reasons-the last arriving less than a week before the pups were whelped. She ended up having 17 or 18 dogs in her house for 12 weeks or so.

So be prepared to take back any pups you adopt at any time of their lives-without question.

I don't mean to sound cold or off putting, I'm just very pragmatic when it comes to puppies and dogs. Each of us in our respective breeds tends to be that way though some, like me, are super protective of our breed. Even though I love my breed and they are perfect for me, (as I'm sure you feel about your terrier) I can tell you that these dogs aren't perfect for many people.

Sorry to be so long winded.

 

[JennSLK]

They were renamed the Parsons Russle terrier...still the same breed though.

From what I understand and have been told they are NOT the same breed. They are verry simular but not the same. Parsons can be shown here but the JRT can not be. They have different parent clubs and reg clubs here as well.

Here being Canada.

 

[FrenchKissed]

From what I understand and have been told they are NOT the same breed. They are verry simular but not the same. Parsons can be shown here but the JRT can not be. They have different parent clubs and reg clubs here as well.

Here being Canada.

Hmmm...they are the same according to history.


http://www.akc.org/breeds/parson_russell_terrier/did_you_know.cfm

Parson Russell Terrier Did You Know?


The Parson Russell Terrier is AKC's 145th breed.


The Parson Russell Terrier was first bred in the south of England in the mid-1800's to hunt European red fox, both over and underground, for the sport of kings.


The breed got its name from the most renowned of British huntsman, Reverend John Russell, "The Sporting Parson," whose passion for fox hunting, hounds, and working terriers is legendary.


Arthur Heinemann, who founded the Parson Jack Russell Terrier Club in 1914, drafted the first Jack Russell breed standard in 1904.


After John Russell's death, the name "Jack Russell" was misused to describe all mix and manner of working and hunt terriers, many of which bore little, if any, similarity to Russell's own terriers.


To date, the Parson Jack Russell has been recognized under the F.C.I. umbrella by News in Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Italy, South Africa, and Australia

 

[verderben]

I am thinking about breeding my JRT in a little over a year (at her 3rd or later heat) but want to know EVERYTHING before making that kind of commitment. So needless to say I have a lot of questions to ask.

1.) What are the best shows to put her in? She is registered with ACA but can I compete in some of the AKC Competitions?

That right there is reason enough NOT to breed. ACA is about a joke. It was started by puppymills for puppymills. You can register any dog as whatever breed you want. You send money they send papers.Kinda ot but related has anyone here actually SAW ACA papers. They are funny looking, They are a full 8 X 10 paper that looks like the generic "award" papers that school teachers use when kids do something good, and look like they were printed on a home computer.

 

[HarleyD]

Some health problems the JRT can face are dislocation of the kneecaps, inherited eye diseases, deafness, Legg Perthes-a disease of the hip joints.

Good breeders get them BAER and CERF tested, and breed only to JRTCA-registered terriers.

http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/ethics.php4 (Breeding code of ethics)

http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/standard.php4 (JRT standard)

I don't see anything about to much white being a fault in competition, however, most have more color than your pup. I'd suggest getting a JRTCA or UKC registered JRT with show or hunting pedigree; then show or do hunting trials with your JRT until she's old enough to be health tested and proven to be a good breeding bitch. Find a good stud through JRTCA.

In the mean time, get your pup spayed and enjoy her as a nice housepet. You sound like you want to try and better the breed, but also want puppies around. THey cost alot and you don't make money breeding. It's a hard, thankless task and you will be responsible for all the pups their whole life...even after they are gone. Make sure you carry on good genes/health and always strive to better the breed above all else.

Not saying "don't breed" just saying "breed right".

 

[bubbatd]

Have you thought of visiting a JRT breed club and have her evaluated before you go through all the testing and costs ??? Is a practcally all white JRT acceptable ?? I really don't know .. just questioning .

 

[Ranchnhoney]

Wow! This is alot of information to digest Thank yall for the links and I am going to look at them. I am sad to see that ACA is a joke I didn't know that . But to answer/ comment some of the things I read.

Sugar isn't my first JRT, she is my second. I also have a male (nuetered) That I was given from an abusive situation. And he is actually who led me to get another.

A parson russell I think is actually slightly bigger, longer legs and 3-8 pounds heavier. Not positive but that's what I have always thought.

I am more interested in the the part of shows that are displaying the dogs "working ability and agility" because she is more of a "working" dog and I think that is what she would excell at. But what shows can I do if AKC won't recognize her and ACA is a joke?

And I am still looking for a JRT breed club in my area.

I realize the cost of breeding and really am not looking to make money off of it. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't complain if I did, but that really isn't behind any of my reasoning. Mostly I just want to show and breed my dog for no other reason than that. It's hard to explain. These dogs are great and so free spirited it's hard not to get hooked on them.

Also I did look into the breed rescue thing. I found the national sight and filled out an aplication. I am still unsure about the fostering thing because you never know what you are going to get and I have a little boy to protect. But I did mention I was interested in the foster care and I volunteered for other things (calling, checking up) That kinda stuff. So we will see what happens with that.

Man my answers seem to get longer as I go but I think that is everything I wanted to say.......*sigh of release*

 

[HarleyD]

http://www.akc.org/breederinfo/breeder_search.cfm?requestTimeout=90

Kennel Club listings in Louisiana. Haas is actually my mom's horse vet!

http://www.prtaa.org/
Parson Russel Terrier - But you can see just how different or the same the breeds are or if they are one in the same.

Plus the PRT club can get you info about JRT clubs in Louisiana.

 

[HarleyD]

Predominantly white with black, tan, black and tan, or no markings. *From UKC website about colorings - white is o.k. apparently)

http://www.ukcdogs.com/RegistrationBreeds.htm

Tells you about JRT.

Here's a JRT breeder in Louisiana - Brian K. Hartmann 808 Long Lane Dr.,
Farmerville, Louisiana 71241
I'd say contact him and ask him about his dogs (sires and dams) and see if his have any champions or working titles and if they've had health tested AND make sure they are registered with a reputable kennel club.


Hope this helps.

 

[Jynx]

The ACA is a pretty "iffy" registration, The only way you could participate in AKC events is to get an ILP (indefinite listing privelage) however, the dog would have to be spayed in order to get an ILP...IF she had an ILP, she could participate, for titles, anything AKC offers except the conformation ring.

Do a "search" on Honey Hill JRT's..she is a good friend of mine who has been "into" JRT's for years, also does rescue and judges. She does everything with her dogs, so maybe could direct you.

If her email is still in intact, it's [email protected] her name is Susan Porter and she's located in CT, but has JRT connections all over the US.
diane

 

[Ranchnhoney]

QUOTE]Here's a JRT breeder in Louisiana - Brian K. Hartmann 808 Long Lane Dr.,
Farmerville, Louisiana 71241 [/QUOTE]

oOh THANK YOU! I was trying to follow the previous link and I must be computer illiterate because all I was getting was frustrated. Is there a phone number for this guy or do you just mail him. I think Farmville might be a ways away but I will check mapQuest I know that sight.:lol-sign: but thank you!

 

[HarleyD]

There is a number but I figured it would be best not to put it on a forum with LOTS of people...especially this day in age. (nothing against chaz or it's peeps, but some people could take advantage of a phone # listed).

Personally I'd mail the guy, tell him your situation and what your looking for, etc. and offer your number so he can call you first.

 

[BostonBanker]

I know very little about JRTs and even less about breeding, but a friend of mine recently lost hers. He was a retired show champion (not with the AKC obviously due to his age - not sure who they showed under before) and earthdog competitor, and he had about as much color on him as your female. When I commented on it, the woman told me that they preferred mostly white.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

ACA is not recognized by UKC either. You need to not be too focused on showing your female...her registration percludes her being a bitch that can be shown with about any reputable registry. You can try JRTA: they have a link here on how to register with them...
http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/register.php4

They do not do conformation from what i see...only trialing...so that'd have to be something you'd be interested in doing.

In short...if you want to do conformation...you'd need to start with a new pup/dog...

If you want to do trialing and title in that....then you could use your bitch if she has the aptitude required...and if you could get her registered with JRTA.

 

[Fran27]

My guess is that you didn't get your puppy from a good breeder... Sorry to be blunt but that registry is the registry people use to say their dog is registered, and it doesn't mean anything... any dog can be there, even if they are very far from the standard... and it's probably the case for your dog. It's probably best if you spay her - do you know if any testing was done on her parents? If not, you never know what genetic problems she might carry and it would be risky for the puppies to breed her anyway.

If you really want puppies, and you like JRTs, I would go to shows, talk to breeders, and try to get very knowledgeable about the breed, so you can eventually get a show prospect puppy, win a championship and breed responsibly, in order to improve the breed. But it's probably going to take a long time. Otherwise I would foster a pregnant bitch from a local shelter or rescue.