Thinking about Breeding.......

[Ranchnhoney]

I am thinking about breeding my JRT in a little over a year (at her 3rd or later heat) but want to know EVERYTHING before making that kind of commitment. So needless to say I have a lot of questions to ask.

1.) What are the best shows to put her in? She is registered with ACA but can I compete in some of the AKC Competitions?

2.) What is the best Book to get to help me prepare her for these competitions?

3.)What is the best Puppy rearing/ breeding book?

4.) What should I look for in a stud? HOw do you find a reputable one?

5.) How far should I go for a stud (there are really no JRT breeders in this area except for BYB) and what is the common type of payment for thier services?

I want to make an informed decision and am not trying to ruffle anyones feathers or get fussed at. So please if anyone has any helpfull info I would greatly appreciate it. The only breeder I know of breeds Great Danes so while she will be a great help I can't expect her to know everything about breeding JRT"S. Plus if anyone knows of a good JRT breeder close to the New Orleans area That I could talk to I would also be very greatfull. I want to be as informed as I possibally can be because I do understand how big of a commitment it is to breed.

 

[Aussie Red]

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[FrenchKissed]

"I am thinking about breeding my JRT in a little over a year (at her 3rd or later heat) but want to know EVERYTHING before making that kind of commitment. So needless to say I have a lot of questions to ask.

1.) What are the best shows to put her in? She is registered with ACA but can I compete in some of the AKC Competitions?"


You can only compete in AKC if she had an ILP number which would require her to be altered. I do not think that the ACA is a legitimate exhibiting registry so they probably do not offer shows. You might be able to get her UKC registered and participate in earthdog events and conformation. I am not 100% sure on the requirements for UKC registration...but I was thinking that they offered an unknown background registration to introduce new stock, but I could be wrong.




"2.) What is the best Book to get to help me prepare her for these competitions?"

There are lots of good books. The book of the bitch, breeding better dogs, the joy of breeding your own show dog...but nothing will help you more than your fellow breeders. Dogs rarely go by "the book".



"3.)What is the best Puppy rearing/ breeding book?"

The above have sections mentioned, my personal favorite is The art of raising a puppy by the monks of new skete.



"4.) What should I look for in a stud? HOw do you find a reputable one?"


This one is going to be hard to answer. But basically you need a stud that has everything your bitch doesn't. The only way to learn this is to get involved in your breed. You may want to try earth dog events as well as conformation.


"5.) How far should I go for a stud (there are really no JRT breeders in this area except for BYB) and what is the common type of payment for thier services?"

No distance can be too far for the right dog. If you have to import frozen semen from across the globe, do it. Never skimp on what you feel is the best choice for your bitch.
Most stud dog owners take normal forms of payment, cash, check, moneyorder, if you use and over seas dog a bank transfer.




"Plus if anyone knows of a good JRT breeder close to the New Orleans area That I could talk to I would also be very greatfull. I want to be as informed as I possibally can be because I do understand how big of a commitment it is to breed."

You can try contacting JRT breeders through the AKC website, they are called the Parsons Terrier there (if I remember right)...other wise try contacting the breed club with the UKC or a UKC earth dog club.

 

[yoko]

try going to a breed club they might be able to tell you want needs to be done. with health testing and proving the dog

 

[noludoru]

Couple questions for ya....

1.) Where did you get your dog from? A pet store, a rescue, a breeder? If a breeder, how long is the pedigree you got and how many dogs with titles are in the first few generations? How many dogs in her pedigree have been health tested?

2.) Why do you want to breed her?

 

[Whisper]

Good questions nolu. Definitely two of the most important ones.
Since you seem interested in showing, I'll go that direction instead of hunting/other performance/working direction.
Was she sold as show quality? I remember another member got her dog from a breeder and wanted to show and breed her female, and she realized that her dog was not able to be shown due to poor conformation (from a less than great breeder), she will be a beloved spayed pet, and her owner (as far as I last heard) is going to get her next dog from a show breeder with that particular purpose.
Usually reputable breeders will only stud their dogs out to females that meet their criteria of performance and titles or working ability. Studs are carefully selected to even out the qualities of the breeding pair. Sometimes payment is a sum of money and sometimes it's pick of the litter or another sort of deal.

I'd look at your breed clubs and go to a dog show, talk to people in JRTs and that can give you advice.
Really think hard about the responsibilty. Taking a dog to its championship and breeding is extremely expensive and a huge commitment, as you're bringing dogs into an already extremely overpopulated world. Be very careful and make sure you're entirely serious about it.
On another note, I like to see people do additional things to showing like competitive obedience, herding, agility, therapy, etc.

 

[Ranchnhoney]

I bought her from a breeder in MO. Her papers go back 4 generations, Not sure what titles her parents had, can't seem to find the papers at this moment. They are in my file cabinet but I am not the most organized. But Animals, small animals mostly, have always been my passion. I even went to school for pre-vet and This is lame but having puppies was something I wanted to do since a kid. I have 4 people who already want a JRT, and ever since I was introduced to this breed I love them. I am sure every owner feels this way but I think they are the best breed to have. They are small enough to be unobtrusive in the home, Hardy enough to go and do outdoor activities (hunting, fishing) They are intelligent. And they are fast, they can keep up with a 4-wheeler or a horse. And the true test is they are patient, tough and playfull to stand the test of my little boy. I am a stay at home mom and I know that I will have the time to commit to raising dogs. Plus I know that once my son starts going to school I am going to have even more time to persue something I wanted to do since my first dog (I was 5).

 

[Ranchnhoney]

"Was she sold as show quality? "
I am not to sure about that I know her form is but She is almost solid white (they need to have more than 51% of white to show but I don't know if (98% is ok.) and they did not state that she is show quality. I bought her cause I fell in love with her eyes and kinda regret not doing as much research as I should have. She is the one on the left in my profile and this is also her a month ago. Thats the only spot she has.

 

[Ranchnhoney]

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[noludoru]

Um... well... If I am not mistaken Missouri is the puppymill capital of the US. If you don't have any champions or dogs with other titles, or health testing done in her pedigree, and you and your breeder didn't have very long talks about her, the breed, your intent to show, etc, she is almost definitely not show quality.

When you visited your breeder you first should have been able to visit the dam and check her out... her breeder ought to have told you all about her accomplishments, her titles, what makes her breed worthy and why her puppies are a great contribution to the breed. She ought to have explained all about their pedigree to you, why she chose the stud and how all of her weak points are his strong ones, and why he is the best stud to sire her litter. She should have extolled his accomplishments (at least a CH) to you, and be full of knowledge about him. In your contract, if your breeder hadn't already discussed with you that your pup is show quality and added into the contract that she needs to be shown (often these dogs, when sold to inexperienced handlers are jointly owned), she ought to have a spay/neuter contract for your pup because your breeder should only be wanting to breed the best of the best.

That brings me to my second question in my above post... why do you want to breed her?

 

[noludoru]

OH and a book for you, How To Breed Your Own Show Dog.. looking up the author right now for you, I'll edit my post later.

EDIT: The Joys of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Anne Seranne

 

[HoundedByHounds]

I would spay the dog you have now...and spend time at shows meeting Parson people, looking at their dogs. Get to know a breeder who's dogs you like the look and temperament of..let them know you are a new person to showing but love the breed and want to go about breeding and exhibiting them in the right way.

When you find the person that will listen to you, and you feel comfortable with...and they with you....a show puppy or older puppy from them will be the BEST way to break into breeding and showing dogs the right way.

IMO the dog you have now...is not one to breed or show (eta smooths almost never take points accor. to a Parson friend but the good ones are valuable ion the breeding side of things)...but she can teach you many things about the breed..and taking her to handling classes can teach you a lot about showing...but show dogs come from show people...and working dogs from working people...etc....you have to go where they are, learn what they know...and only then should you consider setting out on your own, and even then you should have a mentor guiding you.

 

[Ranchnhoney]

But Animals, small animals mostly, have always been my passion. I even went to school for pre-vet and This is lame but having puppies was something I wanted to do since a kid. I have 4 people who already want a JRT, and ever since I was introduced to this breed I love them. I am sure every owner feels this way but I think they are the best breed to have. They are small enough to be unobtrusive in the home, Hardy enough to go and do outdoor activities (hunting, fishing) They are intelligent. And they are fast, they can keep up with a 4-wheeler or a horse. And the true test is they are patient, tough and playfull to stand the test of my little boy. I am a stay at home mom and I know that I will have the time to commit to raising dogs.

I'm not really sure what answer you are looking for. And I really can't give you an honest great answer because I want to learn everything before I commit to a decision of breeding her. I want to do it but as of now I want to learn and know all of everything (showing, earning titles, breeding and raising good healthy puppies) before I commit myself to anything. That's why I am asking questions. I really don't want to get in a debate "to breed or not to breed" before I know the subject completley. Right now I want to but until I learn enough to make an educated decision i can't I trully tell you my reasons.I don't even know if I'll even feel the same way. I want to learn first through research then decide if breeding her is a good thing and something I will be able to do.

IMO the dog you have now...is not one to breed or show (eta smooths almost never take points accor. to a Parson friend but the good ones are valuable ion the breeding side of things)...

Why aren't smooth ones good? Is there something wrong with them breed wise?
"Jack Russell Terriers have small V-shaped ears that should fold downward, and strong teeth with a scissor bite. The body shape is approximately square.

Jack Russell Terriers come in three coat types: smooth, broken, and rough. In all cases, the coat should be dense and not soft, feathery or linty.

A smooth coated dog should be smooth coated all over, with a dense topcoat that is approximately 1cm long. A rough-coated dog should have a double coat with fur as much as 10cm long, and should be rough-coated over its entire body."

THat's a quote of the breed standard on thier coat. Is there other different show rules.
http://www.jack-russell-terrier-pictures.com/jackrussellterrier.html
This is the sight if that doesn't bring you to it go to the .com part then click on the "Breed Standards"

 

[HoundedByHounds]

ahh forgot...the biggest thing when you ask someone about breeding your dog and just about your dog in general...is a thick skin. If you cannot take and use constructive criticism and see without emotion the things people may see lacking in your dogs...responsible breeding is not for you. It's not about cute puppies or carrying on a heart dog's legacy...it's about the breed as a whole and your impact on it.

If that's uppermost in your mind it makes tough decisions, and issues you are faced with easier to resolve.

Hard facts? Puppies die, are born deformed, bitches can also die or require hugely expensive care, the act of placing a puppy with someone is a horrendously gut wrenching thing, and your responsibility NEVER ends. You must bear with grace all the idiotic things people will say when they have problems with a pup or dog you sold them..and you must do so to get your dog back safe with you Breeding is expensive if everything goes right...and the expense is not always measured in dollars...but in tears and sweat and blood as well.

 

[noludoru]

I'm sorry, hon, I missed your answer... if it's just puppies you want you should offer to foster a litter with your local JRT rescue or shelter. But it sounds to me like you want more than a litter of puppies to love, it sounds to me like you want to improve your breed and really make something of yourself and your dogs.

I pretty much agree with what Gina has said... spay the girl you have and really get into showing or the sport of your choice (or both--can't go wrong there!) and get a dog that you know is worthy of breeding.. show that dog, make sure she excels, and find a stud worthy of her. Then breed.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

I would just like to commend you for wanting to do research before you decide. Not a lot of people are like you nowadays.

I would suggest finding a very reputable breeder to help you. There is also a lady on here that would be perfect for you to talk to.

Again, good for you for wanting to do the research and find out exactly what you are doing.

 

[Ranchnhoney]

ahh forgot...the biggest thing when you ask someone about breeding your dog and just about your dog in general...is a thick skin. If you cannot take and use constructive criticism and see without emotion the things people may see lacking in your dogs...

I am not getting mad, I hope it doesn't sound like that. But I did start this thread to get references on books and not to get in a debate. I hate typing I am much more of a "phone" or "in person" communicator because tone is everything and I don't have an angry tone right now. I appreciate the criticism. Less than the advice but I want to hear the neg. as well as the pos. But while I appreciate it, I want my voice to be heard too and I don't want you to think that I am just strolling in here with an already pregnate dog saying "hey what you know about breedin'!" I just want some facts so i can come to my own decision. And I want and appreciate these facts coming from all spectrums, including the people here on Chazhound, but not excluding literature.

foster a litter with your local JRT rescue

I would love to do that but there isn't any around and the ones i find on the internet are dogs (not puppies) that are 1.) not good with kids (I have a 2 yr old) or are 2.)not good with pets (I have 3 dogs) . If I could get even an adult dog from a rescue I know I could find them a good home quick but I worry about them snapping because of previous experiences and hurting my kid or my dogs or a stranger while under my care. i guess I really am not an ideal foster home, though I wish I could be. Because some people are very cruel and people sometimes give just anybody a dog if they have the cash .

There is also a lady on here that would be perfect for you to talk to.

what's her screen name?

 

[~Tucker&Me~]

Contact Dekka on here. She's very knowledgable about JRTs.

I agree that you should spay your current dog and get a show prospect from a breeder.

However, if I were you I would also look into fostering a pregnant bitch and raise the litter.

~Tucker

 

[Bob4eva]

You sound like someone who actually wants to better the breed, so why not nueter her and get a dog you Know is show and breed quality.

I notice your in america.They got a big overpopulation problem over there.So maybe foster a pregnant bitch or an allready born litter?
That way you get the puppies you so crave and also save a few dogs from Euthanasia.

 

[bubbatd]

I know dittily-dick about JRTs , but if I had a male requested as a stud ... I would want a female with more color . I'd leave JRT breeding up to a show breeder personally .