The war

[AndrewF]

Okay, did a search on the whole Priest/celibacy issue.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...nts/rc_con_cclergy_doc_01011993_bfoun_en.html

It's a wee bit of a long read but in a nut-shell:
Matthew 19:22 and 1 Corinthians 7:32-35 sums up the "why" of it all.

 

[Renee750il]

Hey, don't worry about it, even Jesus had vices!





Well he needed them! he was a carpenter you know

ROFL! Andy, you have a new title . . . The PUNisher

 

[Puckstop31]

ROFL! Andy, you have a new title . . . The PUNisher

+1 LOL

I was about 2/3's of the way into a brief and "gentle" retort.... Then I got the joke. LOL Divine intervention???

 

[Renee750il]

At least we can be fairly certain God has a sense of humor . . . although a good long look at a duckbilled platypus would probably answer that query . . .

 

[Zoom]

That poor animal is the punchline to every joke about the relationship between the Animal and Heavenly Kingdoms.

 

[Zoom]

It is sad that some Christian Churches still think sex is "taboo". Sex between a man and his wife is a wonderful gift given to us by God.

Sometimes I have to wonder about this: From the time the kiddies are old enough to understand what sex is, they are told "It's bad, it's bad, it's evil and bad (but only until you get married) but before that it's bad bad bad." Hearing something repeated that often has to carry some lasting negative psychological impact, don't you think?

 

[sparks19]

Alright well I was looking forward to posting something in this thread but I have just read about ten pages that have ranged in topic from the war in 2005 to the crusades back in.... um... well a REALLY long time ago. I am mentally exhausted from reading all this lol. I will reply later lol.

HOWEVER for the most part this is turning out to be a really great debate. It is intelligent for the most part and very well presented by both sides and VERY civil :O i can't believe it

 

[sparks19]

lol go on then point us in the right direction then


That is a very ignorant thing to say, there is a small minority of Muslims that HATE the west, most Muslims might not agree with our way of life but in no stretch of the imagination do they all HATE us.

Or maybe god will appoint you to build a big boat, collect 2 of every animal, and wipe the rest of us out?

I just wanted topoint out that no where did puckstop say that all muslims hate the west. he simply stated that the hate has always been there. Whether it be a few hundred or a few thousand or etc. he did not specify a number. he simply said that the hate has ALWAYS been there. Don't start fights that aren't there.


Also just one last thing while I am thinking about it. IF this war is about oil then WHAT in the HECK are they doing in Iraq. The US certainly does not get their oil from there. So please fill me in.

 

[andy.]

I just wanted topoint out that no where did puckstop say that all muslims hate the west. he simply stated that the hate has always been there. Whether it be a few hundred or a few thousand or etc. he did not specify a number. he simply said that the hate has ALWAYS been there. Don't start fights that aren't there.

Muslims have ALWAYS hated the west,

erm OK then by that logic I could put:
Christians have ALWAYS ran around with their underpants on their heads!!

I’m sure some have so that, (by your logic) must be a valid statement hehe

Puck, please tell me what that reply was going to be , to the Jesus having vices comment

 

[sparks19]

erm OK then by that logic I could put:
Christians have ALWAYS ran around with their underpants on their heads!!

I’m sure some have so that, (by your logic) must be a valid statement hehe

Puck, please tell me what that reply was going to be , to the Jesus having vices comment

Well perhaps they have. I wouldn't know because I have not known any personally that do that but it takes all kinds So perhaps there are a group of christians that like to wear underwear for hats. So that could very well be a valid statement.

 

[yuckaduck]

{Quote]Also just one last thing while I am thinking about it. IF this war is about oil then WHAT in the HECK are they doing in Iraq. The US certainly does not get their oil from there. So please fill me in.[/Quote]

Who got the contracts?

Us
Russia


Who makes the money of the contracts?

US
Russia

They get at least 4 % someone here has already posted that----that is a heck of a lot, well worth the invasion.



Oh and by the way some have been civil, some have not. There have been a few more added to the ignore list from the name calling on this thread.

 

[Vega]

War in Iraq.....Terrorist......why...hmmm.....

*points at Israel*

 

[sparks19]

{Quote]Also just one last thing while I am thinking about it. IF this war is about oil then WHAT in the HECK are they doing in Iraq. The US certainly does not get their oil from there. So please fill me in.

Who got the contracts?

Us
Russia


Who makes the money of the contracts?

US
Russia

They get at least 4 % someone here has already posted that----that is a heck of a lot, well worth the invasion.



Oh and by the way some have been civil, some have not. There have been a few more added to the ignore list from the name calling on this thread.[/QUOTE]



Ok great 4% is a lot but the US doesn't get its oil from Iraq so what contracts are you talking about exactly. 4% is the entire middle east. NOT IRAQ the US DOES NOT I repeat DOES NOT get their oil from IRAQ. So the 4% is not coming from the place the us is "invading" so the oil is a moot point.


The Civil remark was to the latest and greatest in the debate. The first 25 pages are all hooey but the last ten are great and there are some great points in there and it has been quite civil from that point on I have noticed anyway

 

[AndrewF]

So perhaps there are a group of christians that like to wear underwear for hats. So that could very well be a valid statement.

1) Their sermons are always brief! and
2) They'll gitch ya if they can

 

[yuckaduck]

What contracts?

The contract to do the drilling and to process the oil. The ones who get the oil out of the ground.......what the heck is the US doing that for? The Iraq people should have those jobs they are the ones who need the money not the foreigners who are there uninvited.

I think it really is time I no longer come to this thread. It upsets me to the point where I am sick, literally. I am not reading the posts here anymore it is not worth my health anymore.

You can all debate it as much as you like. I said my piece many times and I have not changed one bit.

 

[sparks19]

What contracts?

The contract to do the drilling and to process the oil. The ones who get the oil out of the ground.......what the heck is the US doing that for? The Iraq people should have those jobs they are the ones who need the money not the foreigners who are there uninvited.

I think it really is time I no longer come to this thread. It upsets me to the point where I am sick, literally. I am not reading the posts here anymore it is not worth my health anymore.

You can all debate it as much as you like. I said my piece many times and I have not changed one bit.

Why is it making you sick? We are all being civil and I am thouroughly enjoying this debate and it appears that others are enjoying it as well as they are making some great contributions. Why get so upset over a discussion?

Anyway, the Iraq people will have those jobs. the US certainly isn't going to stay over there and do it for years and years. now the Iraqis are free to work whatever jobs they please. Now they will just be able to pump the oil without getting shot at if they mess up they might actually get paid some real money too

You need not get so upset. No one is personally attacking you in any way shape or form. if you can't handle being disagreed with than you shouldn't have come to this thread in the first place. Otherwise just sit back and enjoy a good healthy debate.

Also everyone puckstop told me to tell you all hi and to tell you he wishes he could be here to continue this debate but he is playing hockey and will have to wait till tomorrow to respond He wants us to keep this thread warm for him :d hahaha

 

[AndrewF]

On the oil front - and not that I subscribe to it, but I'll entertain to possibility just to ask this one question. My question would be 'IF Saudi Arabia is providing 4% of the oil consumed in the US or whatever that 4% is - and I'm pretty sure it's mostly coming from Saudi Arabia, why invade them when you could pot-shot an already weakened country that has oil? Makes much more sense to me.

Also, if we're going to talk about conspiracy theories here....The US holds Afganistan and Iraq.....guess which country is in the middle - which the US has been grumbling about - which is the 2nd largest producer of oil in the world - or at least in the middle east.

Going on the above theories - and yes, this is only speculation - the US demand for fuel is effectively met, surpassed and covered quite nicely.

....Just little things that make you go 'hmmmmmm......'

 

[sparks19]

1) Their sermons are always brief! and
2) They'll gitch ya if they can

HAHAHA thats good. You are too clever haha I will be giggling about that for a while lol.

Things that make you go hmmm wasn't that a song by C and C music factory haha
Anyway we were never having a problem getting the oil from the saudis. I mean its where it has come from all this time why bother now. If it ain't broke don't fix it

all the answers lie in Syria

 

[AndrewF]

Ok great 4% is a lot but the US doesn't get its oil from Iraq so what contracts are you talking about exactly. 4% is the entire middle east. NOT IRAQ the US DOES NOT I repeat DOES NOT get their oil from IRAQ. So the 4% is not coming from the place the us is "invading" so the oil is a moot point.

I think what Yuck was refering to in her post was contracts awarded to the oil services company Halliburton, largely through its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root.

Now, I'm not feeling energetic enough to look too far into this, but on the surface it would appear that awarding contracts to an oil services company could generate the (right or wrong) appearance that the US is looking to develop some of the oil interests for themselves.

Another thing to make you go 'hmmmmmm....' (which I think was a Saturday night live regular skit):
I was bored and googled and got to thinking; during the Iran/Iraq conflict, Iraq was aided by several contries including the US, Britain, France and Germany - toss in a side of Italy and you get the picture. Some of the support from the US was probably in violation of the Geneva convention (ie, chemical, biological and possibly nuclear ingredients for WMDs), as well as major computer systems to assist in the manufacture of WMD's and possibly even got rid of some of the ambiguity and down-right gave Iraq some WMD's. Maybe this war was the US wanting their WMD's back

Now, this is my little commentary from my little corner of cyber-space - and it's not based on the US alone. I'll toss in Russia, Britain, France and every other country that's decided to pass out WMD's to other contries in the hopes of advancing their own interests:
....QUIT MEDDLING IN OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS!!!....
In otherwords, Iraq wouldn't have any of the technology the US accused them of having IF a whole whack of western countries (including the US) didn't give it to them in the first place!!! Then you wouldn't feel the need to try and take it away again.

 

[blue]

only 4 % that is a heck of a lot. Who got the contract for the oil? Which oil companies got the contracts? American, Rusian and there was one other Britian maybe not sure on the third but none of the contracts went to Iraq companies. It was all about the oil. I only need to look at who is developing it and who is the oil is contracted out too. Something the US had no business doing by the way.

Im still on page 32 of todays leap in posts on this so bear with me as most everything to here has allready been coverred by my much more well informed fellow Evil Conservative Puckstop.

What actual companies, not where they are based but their names, and what in dollars are these contracts worth?