If you remember correctly, in a previous post, I stated that "I do not have the answers".
But I do firmly, FIRMLY believe that war is NOT the answer, and will go round and round and round in circles until it is STOPPED. Other countries are BITTER at the US and the UK for barging in and doing what they think is right (not what IS right) for them. This breeds HATE, and revenge. Then we have to start aaaalll over again.
But I do firmly, FIRMLY believe that war is NOT the answer, and will go round and round and round in circles until it is STOPPED. Other countries are BITTER at the US and the UK for barging in and doing what they think is right (not what IS right) for them. This breeds HATE, and revenge. Then we have to start aaaalll over again.
You know over the past few days I have read loads of information about this war and if it was truly for the freedom of the Iraqi people then maybe it wasn’t AS bad as I first thought although if it was why did it only start in the aftermath of 9/11, where do the supposed WMD’s fit in and why was there the disinformation campaign to make American people believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11? This freedom part only came about afterwards.
I also believe I have never seen such acts of terrorism until this so called 'war on terror' began! Of course, there have been bombs etc in the past, but I am talking about the scale/planning and therefore the HATRED that has been instilled into people.
The war is creating far more enemies than we ever has before...
Are you telling me that you see an end in sight because of the war? Are you telling me it will all get better because of the war? As far as I can see that method is NOT working. Why not give peace a chance? (I'm sur that is a lennon lyric - un-intended
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The war is creating far more enemies than we ever has before...
Are you telling me that you see an end in sight because of the war? Are you telling me it will all get better because of the war? As far as I can see that method is NOT working. Why not give peace a chance? (I'm sur that is a lennon lyric - un-intended
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I apologize if I missed that.
But history proves that inaction also does nothing, indeed it generally makes things worse. (I refer again to Neville Chamberlin) Believe me, I do NOT like war. I have seen the direct results of it too many times in my life. Few probably want peace more than I do. BUT, "peace" at what cost? Our freedom? Our livelyhood? Our independance in favor of a world government? (In reference to a world government, refer to the Book of Revelation.)
"Peace" is a LOT more than just the absence of armed conflict. The desire for "peace at all costs" is simply insane and does not deal one bit in reality. I wish it could be different, but it is not.
FWIW, the "peace movement's" inability to deal with human reality is why it is un-effective. Get together and come up with reasonable ideas and the world might listen. Or, just keep on protesting, sitting in and screaming.....
But history proves that inaction also does nothing, indeed it generally makes things worse. (I refer again to Neville Chamberlin) Believe me, I do NOT like war. I have seen the direct results of it too many times in my life. Few probably want peace more than I do. BUT, "peace" at what cost? Our freedom? Our livelyhood? Our independance in favor of a world government? (In reference to a world government, refer to the Book of Revelation.)
"Peace" is a LOT more than just the absence of armed conflict. The desire for "peace at all costs" is simply insane and does not deal one bit in reality. I wish it could be different, but it is not.
FWIW, the "peace movement's" inability to deal with human reality is why it is un-effective. Get together and come up with reasonable ideas and the world might listen. Or, just keep on protesting, sitting in and screaming.....
And there we have it... You blame us for it eh? By "us" I mean the west. Are we supposed to apologize for our success?
Oh, and they did happen... The press did not care to show it on TV because it only effected "little" people. How about when Saddam murdered THOUSANDS of this own people with Nerve Agent in 1991? Is that terrorism?
Look past the newspaper for a moment....
Whabbist Muslims have ALWAYS hated the west, ALWAYS. Only it is now popular to show on the news.
Of course not. It will only end with the 2nd coming of The Lord.
In Iraq, for now, eventually, yes.
We have, Iraq had 12 years. Which, IMHO, was 8 years too long.
Oh, and they did happen... The press did not care to show it on TV because it only effected "little" people. How about when Saddam murdered THOUSANDS of this own people with Nerve Agent in 1991? Is that terrorism?
Look past the newspaper for a moment....
Whabbist Muslims have ALWAYS hated the west, ALWAYS. Only it is now popular to show on the news.
Of course not. It will only end with the 2nd coming of The Lord.
In Iraq, for now, eventually, yes.
Why not give peace a chance? (I'm sur that is a lennon lyric - un-intended )
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I agree with you on one point there - inaction will do nothing (obviously).
Action NEEDS to be taken, but the correct action. Not going in guns blazing like some hollywood movie.
I have not researched all the methods on peace talks etc, so I cannot say how to go about beginning them, where they are appropriate etc, but it seems like a start.
I think some effort needs to go into beginning to see 'the enemy' as human. We de-humanise what we dislike, or we generalise. Saddam is not the country or the people living in it. We feel ok bombing them, because we are 'after saddam' (or were more to the point).
We fail to see each other as human beings, or the world as destructable. It is not here for our benefit.
Action NEEDS to be taken, but the correct action. Not going in guns blazing like some hollywood movie.
I have not researched all the methods on peace talks etc, so I cannot say how to go about beginning them, where they are appropriate etc, but it seems like a start.
I think some effort needs to go into beginning to see 'the enemy' as human. We de-humanise what we dislike, or we generalise. Saddam is not the country or the people living in it. We feel ok bombing them, because we are 'after saddam' (or were more to the point).
We fail to see each other as human beings, or the world as destructable. It is not here for our benefit.
I think education will only solve this. You say the muslims have always hated the West.. Well, christianity is one of the most brutal religions in history. You can hardly say Christians were the Muslims best mates in the past. Yet you would not say we are violent towards muslims in this day and age.
Why not? Certainly not the result of war. Education.
I may be generalising here, but I think the people in these war stricken countries need educating and there eyes opening to another way. Guns/bombs/fear will not solve that problem. And the only way to STOP the wars for good is teaching people why it is wrong.
Why not? Certainly not the result of war. Education.
I may be generalising here, but I think the people in these war stricken countries need educating and there eyes opening to another way. Guns/bombs/fear will not solve that problem. And the only way to STOP the wars for good is teaching people why it is wrong.
And with whom do we have these "talks"? It is not like the leaders of the Terrorist Organizations will come out and sit down if we ask them too. (Although I can imagine some people would be VERY happy to oblige them. ) Again Dizzy, you need to look at reality for a moment.
If you only knew... Again Dizzy, I ask you to look at more than just what you read in the Op-Ed part of the newspaper. Indeed they are human and ARE seen as such, except by the press. It would not fit the agenda if they showed the MONUMENTAL humanitarian effort being put forth there.
) Again Dizzy, you need to look at reality for a moment. If you only knew... Again Dizzy, I ask you to look at more than just what you read in the Op-Ed part of the newspaper. Indeed they are human and ARE seen as such, except by the press. It would not fit the agenda if they showed the MONUMENTAL humanitarian effort being put forth there.
lol go on then point us in the right direction then
That is a very ignorant thing to say, there is a small minority of Muslims that HATE the west, most Muslims might not agree with our way of life but in no stretch of the imagination do they all HATE us.
Or maybe god will appoint you to build a big boat, collect 2 of every animal, and wipe the rest of us out?
That is a very ignorant thing to say, there is a small minority of Muslims that HATE the west, most Muslims might not agree with our way of life but in no stretch of the imagination do they all HATE us.
Or maybe god will appoint you to build a big boat, collect 2 of every animal, and wipe the rest of us out?
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The United States went to war for the oil. No one wants to look at it but hey facts who got the contracts for the oil? Therefore who gets the oil?
It is easy for those die hard Americans to say no we would never do anything like this but the government did. THe war in Iraq was uncalled for and unnecessary. There was only one point and it was oil. THere was no weapons of mass destruction, there was no terrorist attacks from Iraq.........
If you want to throw the misinformation of the WMD then why is the US still there fighting? I mean if the reason was false then they should have withdrawn right away with apologies. Yet what did they do? They continue fighting for the ......... oil.
I am a firm believer in the UN, the US was one of the main countries to create the UN. So now that the UN does not agree with them, they simply ignore them. Interesting!
It almost seems that the governement of the US must be fighting with someone, if not they fight each other. It was called the Civil War, then of course we have the war of 1812......Canada sent them packing.
I also believe I read somewhere that the US was fighting for freedom during world war two.......bullsh!t.
The US did not even enter the war until Japan bombed Pearl Harbour.
It ticks me off when people base there ideas on made up facts.
I have many American friends who are muchly loved by me. So I am not anit US, just base your arguing on facts not on your own made up stuff.
It is easy for those die hard Americans to say no we would never do anything like this but the government did. THe war in Iraq was uncalled for and unnecessary. There was only one point and it was oil. THere was no weapons of mass destruction, there was no terrorist attacks from Iraq.........
If you want to throw the misinformation of the WMD then why is the US still there fighting? I mean if the reason was false then they should have withdrawn right away with apologies. Yet what did they do? They continue fighting for the ......... oil.
I am a firm believer in the UN, the US was one of the main countries to create the UN. So now that the UN does not agree with them, they simply ignore them. Interesting!
It almost seems that the governement of the US must be fighting with someone, if not they fight each other. It was called the Civil War, then of course we have the war of 1812......Canada sent them packing.
I also believe I read somewhere that the US was fighting for freedom during world war two.......bullsh!t.
The US did not even enter the war until Japan bombed Pearl Harbour.
It ticks me off when people base there ideas on made up facts.
I have many American friends who are muchly loved by me. So I am not anit US, just base your arguing on facts not on your own made up stuff.
Education would certainlyl be a good start.
I will give you that. The Crusades were indeed a black mark in the eye of Christianity. I will submit 2 points on that. (But will go WAY deeper if you like, the Crusades was one of my favorite topics in college.)
1.) The "Christians" who started the Crusades did not know Christ like I know him. They were Christians in name only.
2.) Islam needs to move into the 21st century and stop bickering over events that happened 800 years ago.
Can you do me the favor of quoting what you are responding too please? I am not sure what you are rerring to here.
wOOt! We agree on something!! Better yet, give them something to do other than fight each other. But yes, educating them that there is more to life than what the Mullas say is a good start.
I will give you that. The Crusades were indeed a black mark in the eye of Christianity. I will submit 2 points on that. (But will go WAY deeper if you like, the Crusades was one of my favorite topics in college.)
1.) The "Christians" who started the Crusades did not know Christ like I know him. They were Christians in name only.
2.) Islam needs to move into the 21st century and stop bickering over events that happened 800 years ago.
Can you do me the favor of quoting what you are responding too please? I am not sure what you are rerring to here.
wOOt! We agree on something!! Better yet, give them something to do other than fight each other. But yes, educating them that there is more to life than what the Mullas say is a good start.
nahhh, too much work. If you won't go dig, netiher will I. I made my points there.
I beg to differ. Remember, I have BEEN there and SEEN it. In more than one place. Perhaps not a majority of the total numbers, but a majority of those in power.
Nope, next time it is going to be with fire, not water. And He would not pick me, I am a sinner just like everybody else. Only, I have accepted His free gift of salvation.
Andy, I would like to think you are smarter than only being able to respond with stuff like this.
I beg to differ. Remember, I have BEEN there and SEEN it. In more than one place. Perhaps not a majority of the total numbers, but a majority of those in power.
Nope, next time it is going to be with fire, not water. And He would not pick me, I am a sinner just like everybody else. Only, I have accepted His free gift of salvation.
Andy, I would like to think you are smarter than only being able to respond with stuff like this.
This childish retort again? Your hate is so painfully obvious.
LOL... Like I said to Andy, I have responded to this already and you had nothing to say. Saying it again does not make it correct.
I thought my side was the hard headed one?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!
wait....
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
They must teach the War of 1812 in Canada A LOT. Every Canadian I have ever talked to ALWAYS must bring that up. The "War" of 1812. Hey, at least we got our National Anthem out of it.
Also, this proves that you are out of real arguements. LOL
<rubs hands gleefully>
You REALLY wanna go HERE, with me?
Pot?? Yeah, hi this the the kettle... Your black.
<rolls eyes>
As I too have a great many Canadian friends who would mop the floor with you and your "arguements". Much like I am doing here.
LOL... Like I said to Andy, I have responded to this already and you had nothing to say. Saying it again does not make it correct.
I thought my side was the hard headed one?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!
wait....
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
They must teach the War of 1812 in Canada A LOT. Every Canadian I have ever talked to ALWAYS must bring that up. The "War" of 1812. Hey, at least we got our National Anthem out of it.
Also, this proves that you are out of real arguements. LOL
<rubs hands gleefully>
You REALLY wanna go HERE, with me?
Pot?? Yeah, hi this the the kettle... Your black.
<rolls eyes>
As I too have a great many Canadian friends who would mop the floor with you and your "arguements". Much like I am doing here.
Ok, so we agree education is the way forward (I think!).
All we are doing at the moment is educating the younger generation in these countries that WE are the evil ones who killed their brother/mother/insert close relative/pet/belonging here. They have no concept of why you feel you need to do it, all they are seeing is the destruction. They will grow up to HATE us, as the adults quite often already do! And so the cycle continues!
Violence is NOT the answer (i will say it 100 times if I have to!)
All we are doing at the moment is educating the younger generation in these countries that WE are the evil ones who killed their brother/mother/insert close relative/pet/belonging here. They have no concept of why you feel you need to do it, all they are seeing is the destruction. They will grow up to HATE us, as the adults quite often already do! And so the cycle continues!
Violence is NOT the answer (i will say it 100 times if I have to!)