I lied, I cannot just sit back and let the LIE go. Will you stop it with the UN. WHY do we need the UN's approval for ANYTHING. It is the most worthless organization on Earth.
If it was about Oil, please explain current prices? We get ZERO oil from Iraq. ZERO.
There and many in the UN that do not like the US. I would think they would go out of their way to harm our intrests. For instance, why does France have a permanent seat on he security council? What do they know about that?
How many times do I have to say it? I listen and try to respond to YOUR arguements, please say something about mine. The intelligence on ths issue was most likely faulty. It was most likely a mistake. BUT, Bush's predecessors made the SAME arguement. The SAME EXACT ONE. Is a person lying if they truely believe what they are saying?
Also, it is possible that they were destroyed or moved to, say, Syria....
Cool you just personally insulted me, so I can do the same back...
But I am not going to, because it would just give you something else to whine about and ignore the arguement.
<insert, "how did I insult you" question here> I would not expect you to understand just how much you PERSONALLY insulted me in that post.
If it was about Oil, please explain current prices? We get ZERO oil from Iraq. ZERO.
There and many in the UN that do not like the US. I would think they would go out of their way to harm our intrests. For instance, why does France have a permanent seat on he security council? What do they know about that?
How many times do I have to say it? I listen and try to respond to YOUR arguements, please say something about mine. The intelligence on ths issue was most likely faulty. It was most likely a mistake. BUT, Bush's predecessors made the SAME arguement. The SAME EXACT ONE. Is a person lying if they truely believe what they are saying?
Also, it is possible that they were destroyed or moved to, say, Syria....
Cool you just personally insulted me, so I can do the same back...
But I am not going to, because it would just give you something else to whine about and ignore the arguement.
<insert, "how did I insult you" question here> I would not expect you to understand just how much you PERSONALLY insulted me in that post.
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I am sorry if my opinion insults but it must hold some merit if it did.
This is what the entire war was based on that one word. I am also sorry if you feel the UN is useless, to me it is in place for a reason and I am glad it is. I believe their approval is the only justification for the war, without their approval it was an invasion plain and simple. The UN was put in place to fullfill the hopes and dreams of so many world war II soldiers, all those who lost their lives for our freedom and our rights. They vowed Never Again and the UN was to preserve that with in reason or at least make sure there was a darn good reason.
In My Opinion, there was not a darn good reason, there was no reason to ignore the UN. Whether you like it or not that is my opinion.
LMFAO would you all get off the oil kick. HOW CAN IT BE ABOUT OIL? They get NO oil from Iraq and less than 4% of the nations oil supply from the middle east as a whole. You can seriously sit there and tell me it is about oil when we get that little amount. THAT is just an excuse to justify your opinions. Everytime I get into this discussion with someone that shares the opposite opinion it never fails that OIL will be brought up. FIND SOMETHING ELSE
Andy: everywhere has bad people. It's just human nature. Some are just worse than others. I would like to see how everyone would react if bush just sat back and waited for them to come after the US. THEN everyone would be screaming "OH he didn't do anything to protect us what a jerk. He just let the military sit there and waste our tax dollars while we get attacked. why didn't he something about it when he had the chance" I can just hear it now
ALWAYS playing the victims tsk tsk
Andy: everywhere has bad people. It's just human nature. Some are just worse than others. I would like to see how everyone would react if bush just sat back and waited for them to come after the US. THEN everyone would be screaming "OH he didn't do anything to protect us what a jerk. He just let the military sit there and waste our tax dollars while we get attacked. why didn't he something about it when he had the chance" I can just hear it now
ALWAYS playing the victims tsk tsk
I didn't see it get very off track due to insults. I saw it get off track because we were talking about a movie and chit chatting in between. which is fine with me 
Anyway how can you say that they aren't acheiving freedom over there? They just had a real election a REAL vote. It may not mean much to you but it sure means a heck of a lot to them. We take freedom for granted because it is all we have ever known. Something as simple as voting and having free elections may not seem like much to us. It is something we have always had the right to do. They didn't have that right. Freedom does not happen over night and I think they have done a HELL of a job getting saddam out of power and getting them on the right track to democracy. I say congratulations to the troops over there fighting so hard for someone else. I have friends over there and I REFUSE to sit here and believe that they are over there in vain. They believe in what they are fighting for and I do to.
Anyway how can you say that they aren't acheiving freedom over there? They just had a real election a REAL vote. It may not mean much to you but it sure means a heck of a lot to them. We take freedom for granted because it is all we have ever known. Something as simple as voting and having free elections may not seem like much to us. It is something we have always had the right to do. They didn't have that right. Freedom does not happen over night and I think they have done a HELL of a job getting saddam out of power and getting them on the right track to democracy. I say congratulations to the troops over there fighting so hard for someone else. I have friends over there and I REFUSE to sit here and believe that they are over there in vain. They believe in what they are fighting for and I do to.
President Bush isn't the blame for the war. He was forced by our congress to make the call. The Congress declares war and yeilded that right and privledge to President Bush. (both republicans and democrats passed that responsibility) Faced with the same intellegence that was offered to President Bush at that time, I probably would have done the same thing.
Fact: The Congress didn't have the guts to make the call rather give it to one man so they could lay the blame come on someone else down the road.
Be sure to vote for your senator and your representatives and you can make a huge difference. So it is ultimately our fault (us citizens), for putting wimps in the Congress.
Hard to discount oil as a huge incentive for war. But the fact is it is just ONE element that was considered. History shows that war is caused by a number of issues, never just one. Also, one may check out the huge contracts and oil deals that France, Germany, and Russia amoung others had with Daddy Saddam. Not to mention Saddam's plan to move Iraq's currency to the Euro. Ecomonic war is also offensive. But I don't blame them either, just like our country's dealings with Saddam. To do any business or have any influence in Iraq, you had to deal with Saddam, it is like that in alot of countries with dictators.
The U.N., if given a vote for every country to handle international issues would be a huge failure. Just count the countries and see how stacked up it is and has been. That is why they created the Security Council. Major powers would lose every vote without it, hardly fair
Chazhound
Fact: The Congress didn't have the guts to make the call rather give it to one man so they could lay the blame come on someone else down the road.
Be sure to vote for your senator and your representatives and you can make a huge difference. So it is ultimately our fault (us citizens), for putting wimps in the Congress.
Hard to discount oil as a huge incentive for war. But the fact is it is just ONE element that was considered. History shows that war is caused by a number of issues, never just one. Also, one may check out the huge contracts and oil deals that France, Germany, and Russia amoung others had with Daddy Saddam. Not to mention Saddam's plan to move Iraq's currency to the Euro. Ecomonic war is also offensive. But I don't blame them either, just like our country's dealings with Saddam. To do any business or have any influence in Iraq, you had to deal with Saddam, it is like that in alot of countries with dictators.
The U.N., if given a vote for every country to handle international issues would be a huge failure. Just count the countries and see how stacked up it is and has been. That is why they created the Security Council. Major powers would lose every vote without it, hardly fair
Chazhound
sparks19 said:
I didn't see it get very off track due to insults. I saw it get off track because we were talking about a movie and chit chatting in between. which is fine with me
Anyway how can you say that they aren't acheiving freedom over there? They just had a real election a REAL vote. It may not mean much to you but it sure means a heck of a lot to them. We take freedom for granted because it is all we have ever known. Something as simple as voting and having free elections may not seem like much to us. It is something we have always had the right to do. They didn't have that right. Freedom does not happen over night and I think they have done a HELL of a job getting saddam out of power and getting them on the right track to democracy. I say congratulations to the troops over there fighting so hard for someone else. I have friends over there and I REFUSE to sit here and believe that they are over there in vain. They believe in what they are fighting for and I do to.
Anyway how can you say that they aren't acheiving freedom over there? They just had a real election a REAL vote. It may not mean much to you but it sure means a heck of a lot to them. We take freedom for granted because it is all we have ever known. Something as simple as voting and having free elections may not seem like much to us. It is something we have always had the right to do. They didn't have that right. Freedom does not happen over night and I think they have done a HELL of a job getting saddam out of power and getting them on the right track to democracy. I say congratulations to the troops over there fighting so hard for someone else. I have friends over there and I REFUSE to sit here and believe that they are over there in vain. They believe in what they are fighting for and I do to.
Thanks, that does seem like a good cause to me
, but most of the reasons that have come along are revenge for 9/11 and for WMD’s so where do they fit in? also if it was just about getting freedom for the Iraqi people why couldn’t Saddam have just been killed? Why have so many innocent people had to die? I agree that things are getting better for the people of Iraq but it has also created many more terrorists as well.But then why was there a campaign to got the American people to believe that it was Iraqs fault that 9/11 happened and would this war have occurred without 9/11? The reasons for this was are really unclear to me, The freedom of the people of Iraq is something that is very important, but it seems to me like it is an excuse for going to war.