The problem with Dangerous Dog laws...

[casablanca1]

...is enforcement. Here, Florida's trying to euthanize a dog who, after being designated dangerous for a series of attacks while loose, escaped once more and attacked another dog. The owner, who apparently is unable to control her dog, is able to hire a lawyer to save the dog from Florida law, which mandates euthanization when a dog previously deemed dangerous attacks again.

http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070201/NEWS/202010360/1001/NEWS01


Her lawyers says: "The problem I've got, more than the decision, is the whole process," said James Moody, Green's attorney. "It appears to be predisposed to having a dog euthanized."

Predisposed? This dog's already gone after several people, pigs and another dog. In most times and societies, he'd have been destroyed the first time he went after people or livestock, not given a second chance. The owner's irresponsible and the dog's a problem--I don't see how that's the fault of the law, or why this idiot and her dog should continue to get chances to have 'oops' runaways that end in confrontations and attacks.

 

[ACooper]

"It appears to be predisposed to having a dog euthanized."

ummm........That lawyer doesn't make much sense to me. If I speed, the officer will be predisposed to writing me a ticket.

under the city law that - in language taken directly from Florida Statute - requires a dog previously declared dangerous to be put down if there is another attack on a domestic animal.

So he got loose and attacked again...............whether he left harm or not isn't the question.

Aren't all laws predisposed/predisposition??

 

[Buckshot]

Just like all laws, they dont work so why have em. If that dog was at large out here and if someone or someones livestock were bitten the dog would be gone. No lawyers, no cops, no cost to the tax payer. Instead of someone in a white smock euthanizing the dog it would be someone in overalls. This dog owner has no regard for the law, but the people in the area do. Thats why they are victims.

 

[Renee750il]

That's too rational, Buckshot

 

[Amstaffer]

Heck, in our society we let Child molesters go so they can re-offend. We have lots of great laws, we just lack the people with enough back bone to enforce them. (Not slamming cops...more so Judges)

 

[Buckshot]

Heck, in our society we let Child molesters go so they can re-offend. We have lots of great laws, we just lack the people with enough back bone to enforce them. (Not slamming cops...more so Judges)

We need to make room in jails for drug addicts so we let molesters back out. We cant appoint people to be in charge of our safety and expect them to guard it as if it were their own. They simply cant be everywhere all the time. We have all these great laws so that people feel safe, but they dont work, they never have and they never will because people who have no regard for the law dont care. We just can not seem to grasp that.

A better crime deterent is for people to STOP being victims depending on the system to keep them protected.

 

[Renee750il]

We need to make room in jails for drug addicts so we let molesters back out. We cant appoint people to be in charge of our safety and expect them to guard it as if it were their own. They simply cant be everywhere all the time. We have all these great laws so that people feel safe, but they dont work, they never have and they never will because people who have no regard for the law dont care. We just can not seem to grasp that.

A better crime deterent is for people to STOP being victims depending on the system to keep them protected.

Butbutbutbut . . . that would mean thatthatthatthat . . . people would have to be RESPONSIBLE for THEIR OWN ACTIONS! What are you trying to do, undermine the structure of western civilization?

 

[Buckshot]

Civilization? Is that what it is?

 

[Renee750il]

It's what they tell me . . . but then, you know me and how much value I put on what they tell me

 

[Gustav]

Civilization? Is that what it is?

It's life Jim, but not as we know it!

 

[DryCreek]

Renee and Buckshot.....:hail:

I know I don't need a legal system to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I've known that for a very long time. Laws are based on opinions, I don't agree with them all, but I do listen to them

A better crime deterent is for people to STOP being victims depending on the system to keep them protected.

Butbutbutbut . . . that would mean thatthatthatthat . . . people would have to be RESPONSIBLE for THEIR OWN ACTIONS! What are you trying to do, undermine the structure of western civilization?

And therein lies the problem.....

 

[casablanca1]

Wow, that's the answer! Get people to be responsible for their own actions, let them arm themselves according to their needs, and then stand back and watch the utopia blossom!

You guys have got to be kidding.

 

[Zoom]

If the lady thinks that's bad, she should try being a "dangerous dog" in my ex's apartment complex. This place never had any sort of breed restrictions, just a "weight" one, which was ignored fairly often it seems. But now suddenly they've got this list of restricted breeds and if you have one, the dog has to A) already been licensed with the city before that new rule took effect (ok, not so hard there) and B) if ANYONE says your dog is "dangerous", they will call up AC, wait until you are not home and go into your apartment and seize the dog. Aubrey was on this list until the handyman for the building went to talk to the apartment managers and told them how rediculous that was and how he can walk into the apartment when my ex isn't there.

 

[Buckshot]

Wow, that's the answer! Get people to be responsible for their own actions, let them arm themselves according to their needs, and then stand back and watch the utopia blossom!

You guys have got to be kidding.

This system works much better-We call a man with a gun who has better judgment and is more responsible to fix it for us. By the time it takes them to respond, a victim has already been made. This system that takes our hard earned money without asking and puts it to causes we don't agree with is so much better isn't it?

Taking our tax dollars and living in mansions while we live week to week and providing us no security in return ..Thats more along the lines of utopia to you? There never will be a utopia because people like me want absolute freedom and people like you would rather exchange that for security or atleast the failed promise of it as you have shown in the original post.

Why do you think we are kidding?

 

[Gempress]

*enter Evil Liberal Media, stage right*

Renee and Buckshot.....:hail:

I know I don't need a legal system to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I've known that for a very long time. Laws are based on opinions, I don't agree with them all, but I do listen to them

Renee and Buckshot, I think the problem with your anarchy model is that it operates on the assumption that all people are good-intentioned, rational, and have common sense: a person would use absolutely freedom wisely, and only use weapons in self-defense.

Well, I think history (as well as my own personal experience) has pretty much proven that to be incorrect.

The other side of the spectrum is big government, which basically considers all people to be morons. Therefore anything and everything needs to be regulated, including using a gun, owning a dog, building a fence or even cooking a hamburger (think FDA food handling guidlines!).

And I'm pretty sure that's incorrect, too.

So I think there needs to be a middle ground somewhere. But I have no clue what that would be. I know, I'm of no help.

 

[Buckshot]

I think middle ground is what this government was founded on. I just tend to prefer the governments that were in place before Europe took over. I know we would never get back to that point short of some serious disasters. I would just be thrilled to death to see the government getting smaller instead of bigger. It will never get smaller with people crying for more law or more enforcement.
I could be wrong there..It seems like most governments have grown to a point like we are now, invincible, then poof they go away. All major civilizations have done that. We might be faster to go back to a lawless society by making more laws and less freedom. I need to learn to swim with the current.

 

[hbwright]

Where I live the law obviously isn't upheld, or there are some crazy exceptions. My SIL's dog bit more then 20+ people before he attacked me when I was 7 months pregnant. I was the first to ever turn him in to AC. He was supposed to be retained for 10 days but they were unable to care for him in that time so after 4 they gave him a home restriction for the remaining 6 days which my SIL never followed. After I called others got the nerve to call and AC was called 2 more times to my knowledge (possibly more) and they never came to get the dog. He died at a ripe old age of 16, as mean the last day as he was the very first. I love dogs and don't usually blame any particular breed or dog for being "bad". It is almost always bad owners, which I believe to be in this case also BUT....this dog deserved a death sentence many years ago, while I wonder how many other dogs were put down for much less and probably even just because of their appearance.

 

[casablanca1]

This system works much better-We call a man with a gun who has better judgment and is more responsible to fix it for us. By the time it takes them to respond, a victim has already been made. This system that takes our hard earned money without asking and puts it to causes we don't agree with is so much better isn't it? Taking our tax dollars and living in mansions while we live week to week and providing us no security in return ..Thats more along the lines of utopia to you? There never will be a utopia because people like me want absolute freedom and people like you would rather exchange that for security or atleast the failed promise of it as you have shown in the original post.

Why do you think we are kidding?

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you're kidding.
What you're proposing isn't a theory in many parts of the world, and those are generally the parts of the world where nobody wants to live.

 

[RD]

*realizes yet again why she loves Renee and Buckshot*

You guys make entirely too much sense.

 

[Renee750il]

I think middle ground is what this government was founded on. I just tend to prefer the governments that were in place before Europe took over. I know we would never get back to that point short of some serious disasters. I would just be thrilled to death to see the government getting smaller instead of bigger. It will never get smaller with people crying for more law or more enforcement.
I could be wrong there..It seems like most governments have grown to a point like we are now, invincible, then poof they go away. All major civilizations have done that. We might be faster to go back to a lawless society by making more laws and less freedom. I need to learn to swim with the current.

EXACTLY! Just call us a nation of infantile cowards.

It may have been a current at one time; now it's a deadly riptide. Swim with that and you end up farther and farther out at sea.

Maybe it's time to get OUT of the current