The octuplets' mother is....wow

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Interview with octuplets' mom. It's insane.

Octuplet mom defends ?unconventional? choices - Parenting & Family - MSNBC.com

She's going back to school in the fall. She has no job, but says she can "affford" the kids once she gets her degree. :imaginaryvomitsmiley:

But yeah, I think I'm done reading articles about her. Far be it for me to add to her "popularity" and encourage all these idiotic book deals and TV show offers.
 

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I am not watching anything to do with her. She is insane...and aided in her insanity by quite a few...including the media who no doubt paid her handsomely for her interview...and I am sure there will be books and movies to come.

That woman is a blight on the face of motherhood.
 

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I am not watching anything to do with her. She is insane...and aided in her insanity by quite a few...including the media who no doubt paid her handsomely for her interview...and I am sure there will be books and movies to come.

That woman is a blight on the face of motherhood.
It said she wasn't paid for her interview. But I bet it was given just to generate more interest and further deals. Her publicist (yes, she hired a publicist :rolleyes:) said she's "the most sought-after mother in the world". Uh-huh.
 

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Hm , I thought she said that she didn't want to go public !
 

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Crazy. I do disagree with this part of the article, though:

“Obviously, she’s saying she’s going to love them, but there are 14 children and [only] one of her,†Saltz continued. “There’s going to be an absence of some emotional needs.â€
There were ten kids in my dad's family (big farm family) and they were fine. Just because there are a lot of kids doesn't mean they'll be all boo-hoo deprived emotionally. Frankly, I think the lavishing of attention on children is a modern phenomenon. I doubt if anyone would have had enough time for it historically.
 
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But those ten kids weren't all born AT THE SAME TIME! That's the huge difference here. She has 45 minutes to spend with the octoplets PER DAY. That's NOT ENOUGH TIME.

My mother's family had six children and the older ones helped with the younger ones as they grew. That's always how it works.

Having eight ALL AT ONCE - it's almost impossible to give them all the quality care they need plus they say some will definitely have learning and/or physical disabilities. It's just not fair to the kids.

And who's going to take care of them when she goes back to school then to work full time? Her mother???

The only way this would be even reasonable is if she had a large family all willing to pitch in and help raise the kids together. She does not have that. She has no husband. No father - he's going back overseas to work. So it's just two parents and 14 children, eight INFANTS at the same time.
 

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imo she is a nutball that has no idea what she has gotten herself into. Being a single parent of two, one that had health issues just about did me in. SHe is in some kind of denial to think that she can handle this alone.
 

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Frankly, I think the lavishing of attention on children is a modern phenomenon. I doubt if anyone would have had enough time for it historically.
During the Industrial Revolution (and not really 100% until the 1950's) was the first time that children really began to be seen as sentimental beings, before that children weren't nurtured and mothered the way they are today and parents didn't have close bonds with them like today because it was almost guaranteed that they would lose at least some children. We're learning about this in my Sociology of Marriage and Family course right now, lol.
 

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do you think she is the same as an animal horder..only hers are babies? I mean the same kind of mentality that goes behind it, the idea that they ARE giving good care but couldn't possibly to so many? THat is scary for the babie's sake. At least they will have the public eye on them. THere was a couple here that took home a 5 lb baby and that baby died 5 months later weighing the same as he did when he came home. I can't see a woman that has that many children being sane when she thinks even she AND her immediant family can handle this.
 

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do you think she is the same as an animal horder..only hers are babies? I mean the same kind of mentality that goes behind it, the idea that they ARE giving good care but couldn't possibly to so many? THat is scary for the babie's sake. At least they will have the public eye on them. THere was a couple here that took home a 5 lb baby and that baby died 5 months later weighing the same as he did when he came home. I can't see a woman that has that many children being sane when she thinks even she AND her immediant family can handle this.
I was wondering the same thing. There's something very like hording in her complusive need to keep having them but her obvious inability to care for them.
 

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Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News

LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were were progressing daily, with all eight breathing unassisted and being tube-fed.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.

"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," the mother said.

Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."

Little psychological research has been conducted on the reasons some mothers seem hooked on repeated pregnancies. David Diamond, a co-director for the Center for Reproductive Psychology in San Diego, said mothers can be drawn to repeat pregnancies for a number of reasons, with some finding the experience so satisfying they choose to become surrogates.

Diane G. Sanford, a psychologist and author specializing in women's reproductive mental health, said while she doesn't know much about Nadya Suleman's background, women that have obsessive-compulsive disorder can become fixated on different obsessions.

"Her obsession centers around children, having children and being a mother," she said. "To what degree are her esteem and identity based on being a mom and why has this from a young age been such a preoccupation of hers?"

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

Garcia said she did not ask for details.

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

Angela Suleman told reporters Friday that doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs.

The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

"You should always shoot for one," said Dr. Marcelle Cedars, a professor and director of reproductive health at the University of California, San Francisco, Medical Center, who worried about the increased risk of potential health complications for the babies.

Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

"This woman could not comprehend the ramifications of having eight children of the same age at the same time," said Judith Horowitz, a Parkland, Fla.-based psychologist and author who works with couples on fertility issues. "After Pampers stops delivering the free diapers, then what?"

The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.
 

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HOnest to God can you even begin to imagine feedingi 8 teenagers at the same time...let alone the rest of the siblings?

I thought she had a complusive disorder thing going.
 

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Sounds like she knows the sperm donor pretty well !!! Good luck to him !!
 

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Yeah... she also said that she was severely depressed and that's why she wanted children and more children... yeah, great reason. Everything about this human makes me sick.
 
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People need to look at the big picture.....first, why was "someone" willing to pay her for having all these babies? Two, think of the country as it is. There are no laws limiting the number of children, such as in China. The government says that it is okay to abort babies, but then says that illegal immigrants are necessary to supply tax and Social Security revenue. And then think about the unemployment rate.
Those babies create numerous jobs, are future tax payers, and who knows, one of them might grow up to be president, right?
And who remembers the "mother of the year" stories about the US couple who had something like 17 natural kids and was certainly willing to have more? There were people who thought that was just wonderful!
 

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People need to look at the big picture.....first, why was "someone" willing to pay her for having all these babies?
This is a very good question, one I've been asking since day 1. Where did the money for these fertility treatments come from? Hubby said this morning that the mom said it was from disability insurance money, as well as working double shifts. If that's true, she paid for it.

Two, think of the country as it is. There are no laws limiting the number of children, such as in China.
Yes, what she did wasn't illegal. That doesn't make it moral or ethical or a good idea.

The government says that it is okay to abort babies, but then says that illegal immigrants are necessary to supply tax and Social Security revenue.
Not sure what you mean by this?

And then think about the unemployment rate. Those babies create numerous jobs, are future tax payers, and who knows, one of them might grow up to be president, right?
HOLY CRAP. You are not implying that these babies are good because they create jobs?! KILLING PEOPLE creates jobs (forensic experts, police, police dog trainers, lawyers...the list goes on. Should I go around killing people to lessen unemployment?

And none of those kids are going to be president if they have the brain damage that likely comes from being one of eight.

And who remembers the "mother of the year" stories about the US couple who had something like 17 natural kids and was certainly willing to have more? There were people who thought that was just wonderful!
Totally different. She had them one at a time (a couple sets of twins, I think) The family is completely self sufficient, financially. There are two parents to raise them. She did not intentionally bring 14 children she cannot afford, does not have time for, and cannot provide for, into this world.

I'm not against this woman for having a large family. I'm against it because she obviously cannot provide for these kids, and she is putting them at risk of living at a decent standard of living because of her own selfishness and mental instability.
 

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Newer one from the person actually CARING for the six prior children...
ARTICLE

I cannot even imagine being saddled with this kind of thing when I am an adult with an adult daughter. Honestly I would not even be ABLE to handle that...and thinking of the EIGHT MORE TO COME. No way.
 
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CaliTer,
Basically, the US operates on a pyramid scheme, requiring more and more children to be born to support the system as it is. There are millions of US babies being aborted because of parents not wanting them, and then the government claims that there aren't enough legal people to support the system, and so that makes the necessity of employing illegal immigrants for the influx of tax dollars.

Now, in an ideal world, the mother could place those babies up for adoption to families who are desperately trying to adopt a baby. She would quickly become a hero.
 

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his client has been away for nearly two months, so shouldn't be held responsible for the home's current condition.
Uh, yes she is. Those are HER children and she is the one responsible for them and their care. Amazing that she is so quick to shirk that responsibility and pass blame onto someone else.

And BigDogs, I don't think people were complaining about the babies/kids themselves, but rather how they came to be. And maybe one will grow up to be President, but one or more of them may also grow up to live in a group home for people with severe mental disabilities as it would be a miracle if all those babies escaped this ordeal with no physical and/or mental impairments.
 

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