The Mighty Pitbull

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Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family that were historically used for dog fighting. In the history of England, these dogs were used in battle and for guarding, but they also served utilitarian purposes, such as farm work. Specifically, these dogs accompanied farmers into the fields to assist with bringing bulls in for breeding, castration, or slaughter. Generally known as bulldogs, they protected the farmer by subduing the bull if it attempted to gore him.

Typically a dog would do this by biting the bull on the nose and holding on to the violently struggling bull despite injury. They are popularly known as "lock jaw" dogs that anyone bitten by them cannot easily get away from their hideous jaws. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, Pit Bulls can become very dangerous dogs. :D


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Oh please. Is this from the HSUS website?

First of all, "pit bull" does NOT pertain to molasser dogs!

Second, "pit bulls" do not have locking jaws. Geez, I thought we learned this in 1st grade. :rolleyes: (If they do, I never received a key to unlock any of my dogs' jaws................)

Third, it is really hard to ruin a good dog. Lack of socialization isn't going to result in an aggressive dog. Strong training isn't going to result in an aggressive. Backyard breeders who don't give a darn about temperament and breed dogs with really crappy temperaments and weak nerves result in the production of aggressive dogs. I've seen plenty of absued and neglected dogs that are a-ok.......it's no excuse for aggressiveness.

Anything with teeth can be dangerous. Anything with a stinger can be dangerous. Anything with a large tail can be dangerous. Anything with a beak can be dangerous. Anyone with a computer keyboard and no brain and no education on what they are attempting to post about can be dangerous.
 

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If you'll read the thread through, not just the beginnings where people are jumping to conclusions, you'll see that is NOT the case and that a lot of people ended up learning a great deal.

That thread and some other conversations at that period of time were the basis for a significant increase in our awareness here at Chazhound as far as the plight of the so-called "pit bull" and a more general awareness of the dangers of breed prejudice and BSL to ALL of us.

In many ways, that thread is the worst - and the best - of us at Chazhound. We started out bristling with accusations, and, thanks to the patience and perseverance - and dedication to their breed - of a core of APBT owners, we opened our minds, learned, dropped some tightly held preconceived notions, and changed.

And, thankfully, a great many of those people who kept at it and helped to bring about new understanding are still actively with us :)

And we get to see more of Lilbit :D
 

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Ohhhhhhhh wow.




Hi, Sherlock, I hope you stick around. Renee's right about us being "trigger happy" - especially when someone joins the forum, doesn't introduce themselves, and makes one post defending another newb. It makes me think of sockpuppets.

And I don't like sockpuppets. Especially when they eat my popcorn.

Geee! :( I’m a bit hesitant and scared to stick around. I don’t know so much about Pit Bulls except by browsing through my dear Google. This will probably get me in trouble if not dissected here. :hail: Perhaps I’ll just noiselessly read other posting and share my thoughts and then chit chat if I have sufficient knowledge to share. By the way are you using sockpuppets as a pseudonym or that cute sock puppet per se? By the way my popcorn has cheese on it. It releases “happy hormonesâ€. :popcorn: = :lol-sign:
 

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Aww come on, sock puppets are fun...:D

Anyway Sherlock, my suggestion to avoid becoming tar and feathered and dragged through the middle of main street in your underwear is simple. If you don't know a lot about the subject at hand, ask questions don't make statements. (I'm not saying you do, this is generalized) Don't wait for someone else to ask the question you had in mind because they might not and you might miss out! Lurking is fun too and you can learn a lot. Typically it is those that come on and start spreading uneducated blanket statements that are drawn and quartered - this goes for any topic really.
Some people are rude no matter what, I just ignore those peoples rude behavior and try to read more into their posts than their crappy attitude or holier than thou perception. I haven't found too many on Chaz that are like that, most of them keep their miserable butts on other forums.
So, contribute what you know, ask questions about what you don't know and you're good!
 

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Second, "pit bulls" do not have locking jaws. Geez, I thought we learned this in 1st grade. :rolleyes: (If they do, I never received a key to unlock any of my dogs' jaws................)

Not everyone is aware of this, and writing something so negative gives a bad perception of the person rather than educating.
If I tell you basically that you are stupid for not knowing something, are you going to welcome that more than you would if I said "That's a common misconception but the truth is...."

I know fully well how much I have to defend my own dogs in public or elsewhere, and I'll admit that it is frustrating, but basically calling someone stupid for being IGNORANT (there's a different folks!) is not the best way to convey your message. Also, calling people ignorant doesn't go over well either, as some people don't understand it means that they are "unknowing" and not "stupid" - *sigh*
 
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Funny thing is, if you search through the archives here on Chazhound on Pit Bulls or APBT, you'll probably find as much or more good, spelled out, understandable information on the breed than on many forums devoted to the breed. Breed forums often assume that those reading are already knowledgeable and thus a great deal of the basics are skipped over.

Our APBT people have done an excellent job of teaching and explaining and illustrating their points here - knowing they are speaking to a broad audience with members who have never been exposed to anything beyond the crap mythology spread by the media.
 

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Geee! :( I’m a bit hesitant and scared to stick around. I don’t know so much about Pit Bulls except by browsing through my dear Google. This will probably get me in trouble if not dissected here. :hail: Perhaps I’ll just noiselessly read other posting and share my thoughts and then chit chat if I have sufficient knowledge to share. By the way are you using sockpuppets as a pseudonym or that cute sock puppet per se? By the way my popcorn has cheese on it. It releases “happy hormonesâ€. :popcorn: = :lol-sign:
Aww. Poor hesitant and scared person. Why, I didn't mean to make you feel that way. I'm very sorry - truly, from the bottom of my heart.

Now come on out and play . . .
 
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Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family that were historically used for dog fighting. In the history of England, these dogs were used in battle and for guarding, but they also served utilitarian purposes, such as farm work. Specifically, these dogs accompanied farmers into the fields to assist with bringing bulls in for breeding, castration, or slaughter. Generally known as bulldogs, they protected the farmer by subduing the bull if it attempted to gore him.

Typically a dog would do this by biting the bull on the nose and holding on to the violently struggling bull despite injury. They are popularly known as "lock jaw" dogs that anyone bitten by them cannot easily get away from their hideous jaws. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, Pit Bulls can become very dangerous dogs.


I love Pitbulls but I don't have much idea about them, so that's why I posted it here to gather opinion, although some of you took it the other way:(
 

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There are better ways to gather information besides posting about "hideous locking jaws", unless you're after the exact reactions we've seen.
 

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I love Pitbulls but I don't have much idea about them, so that's why I posted it here to gather opinion, although some of you took it the other way:(
no one was really sure what you were posting, you just copied and pasted a blurb from somewhere, it looks like. Just next time write specifically what your point is, such as "do you agree with this paragraph I got from so and so?"
 
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no one was really sure what you were posting, you just copied and pasted a blurb from somewhere, it looks like. Just next time write specifically what your point is, such as "do you agree with this paragraph I got from so and so?"
Yup. There's no such thing as a stupid question! Ask honest questions and you'll get honest answers. :) Mostly ;)
 

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You are joking, right? That thread is shocking, those people are ****ing nuts! They're talking about DOG FIGHTING!!! :yikes:
well... yeah. the american pit bull terrier is a fighting breed. it would not be what it is today without its past. i think dog fighting is horrible and disgusting, but ignoring that past in my dogs would be a big mistake.
 

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Hi guys,

I was searching the net for a possible answer about Pit Bull infamous locking jaw. And most of the answer i got, that, is it completely a myth. And not just a myth but a very common misconception about Pit Bull. So i guess our friend reginaville is just one of them. And i am guilty of it as well. My point is we should have corrected her in the first place and not belittle her post. I don't think she's posting the info pretending to be an expert. She just post something that she though would be useful...looks like a newbie to me. so i agree with gempress that there are a few knowledgeable pit bull people on this board that could help her understand better.

just my two cents :popcorn:

always wanted to do this...and wow what a coincidence

NO SH!T SHERLOCK
 

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I disagree with this. This is true about remote ancestors of Molosser dogs, but the Pitbull is truly an American breed. Pitfighting is his purpose, but the dog has value in other capacities. However, this rbeed is not for everyone. It takes a responsible owner to keep it the right way. I would not like to see a Pitbull wandering on my property, because my dogs would confront it and, possibly, some of them would be killed.
 

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I disagree with this.

Disagree with what? The "locking jaw" theory as a myth?

This is true about remote ancestors of Molosser dogs,

What is true?

but the Pitbull is truly an American breed.

The American Pit Bull Terrier truly is an American breed as is the American Staffordshire Terrier. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull Terrier, also "pit bulls" are not American dogs.

Pitfighting is his purpose,

Correct. The APBT was a pit dog bred specifically to be a contender in the sport of pit fighting.

but the dog has value in other capacities.

Also correct. Because of it's first and foremost goal, the APBT has the athleticism necessary to compete and excel in various sports. It is also a wonderful family dog and even the pitdogs of yesteryears cuddled up with the children at night.

However, this rbeed is not for everyone.

So true. But IMO this statement can be used for every breed out there. The Fila is not for everyone nor is the Jack Russel not for everyone. It's just too bad too many people don't care that a particular breed doesn't really suit them.....those people just care about how "cool" they will be after telling others they own a such-and-such.

It takes a responsible owner to keep it the right way.

Again, this statement applies to each and every breed.

I would not like to see a Pitbull wandering on my property,

I don't want to see any dog or cat wandering on my property. But for me, I would rather a "pit bull" over anything else because I will take the dog in. Anything else will go straight to animal control and I really don't care what the outcome is of that action.

because my dogs would confront it and, possibly, some of them would be killed.
My replies in red.
 
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Just to illustrate the depths of ignorance that assails the APBT . . .

I was walking in to the store with Kharma yesterday. She's on a 2' lead with a prong collar - she's definitely under control. We got to the spot where her two nemesis perch - two specific pigeons that she really and truly loathes - and she did her crouch/spring into the air/bark at the pigeons ritual. Yah, it's a little loud and scary, lol.

Well, two women - probably in their 60s came out of the shoe store in the building next to where the pigeons roost and one of the women shrieked. Kharma just looked at me. The woman then explained to me that she'd been attacked twice . . . get this . . . BY A PIT BULL WHO LOOKED JUST LIKE MY DOG.

Uh . . . WTF??????

This is my "Pit Bull"



She also proceeded to tell me that all Pit Bulls go straight for the jugular . . .

I didn't even bother, beyond, looking at her like she was as stupid as she sounded and telling her that this dog is a rare breed, a Fila Brasileiro, NOT a Pit Bull, and that my American Pit Bull Terrier is one-third her size, as the breed is supposed to be and gets terribly confused when people act like she's a monster rather than like the friendly, exuberant little dog she is.

Then I walked off in a huff.

Dumb broad.
 

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Just to illustrate the depths of ignorance that assails the APBT . . .

I was walking in to the store with Kharma yesterday. She's on a 2' lead with a prong collar - she's definitely under control. We got to the spot where her two nemesis perch - two specific pigeons that she really and truly loathes - and she did her crouch/spring into the air/bark at the pigeons ritual. Yah, it's a little loud and scary, lol.

Well, two women - probably in their 60s came out of the shoe store in the building next to where the pigeons roost and one of the women shrieked. Kharma just looked at me. The woman then explained to me that she'd been attacked twice . . . get this . . . BY A PIT BULL WHO LOOKED JUST LIKE MY DOG.

Uh . . . WTF??????

This is my "Pit Bull"



She also proceeded to tell me that all Pit Bulls go straight for the jugular . . .

I didn't even bother, beyond, looking at her like she was as stupid as she sounded and telling her that this dog is a rare breed, a Fila Brasileiro, NOT a Pit Bull, and that my American Pit Bull Terrier is one-third her size, as the breed is supposed to be and gets terribly confused when people act like she's a monster rather than like the friendly, exuberant little dog she is.

Then I walked off in a huff.

Dumb broad.
One time Strider barked at a pit bull, and someone asked me if my dog wanted to fight the pit because the pit was looking at him mean. I was like...WTF! That pit is behaving like a perfectly respectable good citizen, MY dog is being a JERK. :mad:

Oh, and you'd be surprised at what constitutes an "Attack!" According to my mother in law, Strider attacked both her and Aurelia repeatedly. So I, in a panic, had her show me what was happening.....Strider was trying to play with the couch pillows that she was picking up. :rolleyes: I shudder to think how many happy well adjusted dogs are dumped at the animal shelter for being "aggressive" when it is all just innocent play.
 

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