The Benefits of a Crate
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lol Maverick would choose five acres in the snow!
I can see both sides. Some dogs just don't do well with it. No one training tool works for every animal but people who find they work tend to push them on all animals. It's also true that some tools don't work for people as well. Crates don't work for me. With my job I'm not able to have a consistent schedule and I live in the country and can't get someone in to let my dogs out. I only have one 'puppy' to deal with and she's usually pretty good around the house. Doc got me some interactive toys that keep her pretty busy. I still have to be careful not to leave runners or anything like that around. Or CDs! she loves those. But otherwise she's pretty good. My two dogs who have a tendency to fight are kept separate when we are gone, all night and most of the day as well. It works for me. Everyone has to find what works for them.
I can see both sides. Some dogs just don't do well with it. No one training tool works for every animal but people who find they work tend to push them on all animals. It's also true that some tools don't work for people as well. Crates don't work for me. With my job I'm not able to have a consistent schedule and I live in the country and can't get someone in to let my dogs out. I only have one 'puppy' to deal with and she's usually pretty good around the house. Doc got me some interactive toys that keep her pretty busy. I still have to be careful not to leave runners or anything like that around. Or CDs! she loves those. But otherwise she's pretty good. My two dogs who have a tendency to fight are kept separate when we are gone, all night and most of the day as well. It works for me. Everyone has to find what works for them.
OK... I give up.. You are all correct and I am wrong to not crate my dog and to think that for some people that crate their dogs for extended periods of time , that they have better options.
Everyone happy now!!!!
Everyone happy now!!!!
LOL no one is saying you are wrong for not crating
show me one example where someone said that is totally wrong and you are irresponsible, cruel, and lazy for not doing so.......As you have so nicely labelled all of us that do.
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I worked a 40 hour week plus , and I waited until I was retired to get a dog, but that is just me. I think a dog needs more attention than that. An eight hour day plus commuting time turns into a 9 or 10 or day pretty easily. I have to sometimes leave the house now once a week or so for 8 hours or so, and I usually feel badly that Smokey is alone for that period of time , but that is just me I guess.
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LOL no one is saying you are wrong for not crating show me one example where someone said that is totally wrong and you are irresponsible, cruel, and lazy for not doing so.......
As you have so nicely labelled all of us that do.
show me one example where someone said that is totally wrong and you are irresponsible, cruel, and lazy for not doing so.......As you have so nicely labelled all of us that do.
WOW, now what do I dare do when I work 14 hour days??????
That's another thread.
The end result is, that because SOME people misuse something (a crate), everyone who uses one is bad.
Sounds suspiciously like gun laws, or ... BSL!
Me? After having a dog that just had a foreign body scare and spent 12 hellish hours extremely ill having ultrasounds, repeated xrays, etc run on him just to find out if he DID manage to get into something... nah, I'll keep using that crate.
That's another thread.
The end result is, that because SOME people misuse something (a crate), everyone who uses one is bad.
Sounds suspiciously like gun laws, or ... BSL!
Me? After having a dog that just had a foreign body scare and spent 12 hellish hours extremely ill having ultrasounds, repeated xrays, etc run on him just to find out if he DID manage to get into something... nah, I'll keep using that crate.
Well gee then I guess I should send Teddy off to the shelter since he has such a terrible life here with a working family. I guess I also should put a hold on rescuing the girl that has been in the shelter for almost 5 months. Sorry pups but I have to work for a living so you should live in a kennel in hopes of finding a family that is rich and doesn't have to work. You know since Teddy would be so compatible with a retired person. they couldn't keep up with his demand.
Do you not see how silly that sounds? if you work you shouldn't own a dog?
Do you not see how silly that sounds? if you work you shouldn't own a dog?
Why I use a crate for Ilsa when I'm not home:
1. She is a food snatcher - she always has been. If she gets a craving for something naughty, she will hop up on countertops, open refridgerators and cabinets, and has even been spotter opening her Vittles Vault. She does not understand the meaning of "portion control", so she will eat until she bursts. I dont' want to come home to a dead dog - not from overeating, not from an obstruction, and not from some sort of toxicity.
Why I use a crate for Ronin when I'm not home:
1. He's got separation anxiety - I once left him out while I went somewhere, and my neighbors said he howled and whined and cried the whole time. I came home to a bloody, shaking, frantic, panicked, and VERY upset dog - he'd gone crazy with worry, and that drove him to chew his feet, run his nose on the dooframe, bite the doorknob, and pace for a good two hours. I LOVE MY BOY, and I don't want to put him through that again. He's fine if he's in a crate, next to Big Sister Ilsa. My neighbors say that they can't hear a peep from him, and I come home to a well rested a happy dog.
They can be left loose together for short amounts of time (say, over a trip to the grocery store) but not much longer - I have a glass patio door that I'm paranoid will pop outof its grooves if they hit it too hard, and I frequently have people come up to my patio and try to get in.. thinking my apartment is someone else's, or the front door to the complex... depending on how drunk they are. (This is a college town).
1. She is a food snatcher - she always has been. If she gets a craving for something naughty, she will hop up on countertops, open refridgerators and cabinets, and has even been spotter opening her Vittles Vault. She does not understand the meaning of "portion control", so she will eat until she bursts. I dont' want to come home to a dead dog - not from overeating, not from an obstruction, and not from some sort of toxicity.
Why I use a crate for Ronin when I'm not home:
1. He's got separation anxiety - I once left him out while I went somewhere, and my neighbors said he howled and whined and cried the whole time. I came home to a bloody, shaking, frantic, panicked, and VERY upset dog - he'd gone crazy with worry, and that drove him to chew his feet, run his nose on the dooframe, bite the doorknob, and pace for a good two hours. I LOVE MY BOY, and I don't want to put him through that again. He's fine if he's in a crate, next to Big Sister Ilsa. My neighbors say that they can't hear a peep from him, and I come home to a well rested a happy dog.
They can be left loose together for short amounts of time (say, over a trip to the grocery store) but not much longer - I have a glass patio door that I'm paranoid will pop outof its grooves if they hit it too hard, and I frequently have people come up to my patio and try to get in.. thinking my apartment is someone else's, or the front door to the complex... depending on how drunk they are. (This is a college town).
Well rest assured I do not live ina 4 bedroom house or have an SUV. i work because I have to, not becuase I choose to. PFFT, if I could spend all day sitting at home with my dog do you think i would choose work? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not a chance.
In fact, I wasn't working at all when we got Teddy. but sh!t happens and life costs money and I am **** well sure that the money I have to work for goes to something FAR more important than a fancy house and nice cars. I highly doubt that Teddy is scarred by spending a day in his own room with his own couch and his own chair and his own radio, his own toy box and yes..... even his own toilet used ONLY for Teddy purposes never for bathroom use. How cruel, lazy and irresponsible of me and 90% of the people on this board.
In fact, I wasn't working at all when we got Teddy. but sh!t happens and life costs money and I am **** well sure that the money I have to work for goes to something FAR more important than a fancy house and nice cars. I highly doubt that Teddy is scarred by spending a day in his own room with his own couch and his own chair and his own radio, his own toy box and yes..... even his own toilet used ONLY for Teddy purposes never for bathroom use. How cruel, lazy and irresponsible of me and 90% of the people on this board.
Ha Ha Ha bob, that's a whole different thread that you don't want to get people started on!
And one side note on that subject & dog owners that work................It doesn't take a 4 bedroom house w/pool and suv to need 2 incomes anymore, Just an apartment, economy vehicle, and possibly a membership to the YMCA will do it!
We have a 5 bedroom house, 5 kids, 2 dogs...........no suv, and an above ground pool, but I only work part-time 10 hrs a week, luckily for our family my husbands job has us covered. If something happened to that.........I'd be pounded pavement tomorrow!
And one side note on that subject & dog owners that work................It doesn't take a 4 bedroom house w/pool and suv to need 2 incomes anymore, Just an apartment, economy vehicle, and possibly a membership to the YMCA will do it!
We have a 5 bedroom house, 5 kids, 2 dogs...........no suv, and an above ground pool, but I only work part-time 10 hrs a week, luckily for our family my husbands job has us covered. If something happened to that.........I'd be pounded pavement tomorrow!
But did you crate your daughters? Honestly, nobody in the 'pro-crate' camp can tolerate any disagreement. Get a grip, people. It works for some dogs/families, doesn't work for others. If you say "it doesn't work for me and I don't like to do it," that doesn't A) count as an insult to those who do crate and B) doesn't call for an outpouring of threats that 'if you don't teach your dog to crate, he'll end up committing suicide at the vet's the first time he has to stay overnight.'
Honestly, nobody in the 'pro-crate' camp can tolerate any disagreement. Get a grip, people. It works for some dogs/families, doesn't work for others. If you say "it doesn't work for me and I don't like to do it," that doesn't A) count as an insult to those who do crate and B) doesn't call for an outpouring of threats that 'if you don't teach your dog to crate, he'll end up committing suicide at the vet's the first time he has to stay overnight.'Bobsk8 that's my husbands view on things, he would rather I be in charge of the house & kids than someone else................but things can go south for anyone, especially in these trying times. I hope your daughters continue to have that opportunity.
and Casa, it was an insult, it was stated that the reason people use crates is because they are too lazy to train.............read back through the posts!
and Casa, it was an insult, it was stated that the reason people use crates is because they are too lazy to train.............read back through the posts!
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But did you crate your daughters? Honestly, nobody in the 'pro-crate' camp can tolerate any disagreement. Get a grip, people. It works for some dogs/families, doesn't work for others. If you say "it doesn't work for me and I don't like to do it," that doesn't A) count as an insult to those who do crate and B) doesn't call for an outpouring of threats that 'if you don't teach your dog to crate, he'll end up committing suicide at the vet's the first time he has to stay overnight.'
Honestly, nobody in the 'pro-crate' camp can tolerate any disagreement. Get a grip, people. It works for some dogs/families, doesn't work for others. If you say "it doesn't work for me and I don't like to do it," that doesn't A) count as an insult to those who do crate and B) doesn't call for an outpouring of threats that 'if you don't teach your dog to crate, he'll end up committing suicide at the vet's the first time he has to stay overnight.'
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Bobsk8 that's my husbands view on things, he would rather I be in charge of the house & kids than someone else................but things can go south for anyone, especially in these trying times. I hope your daughters continue to have that opportunity.
and Casa, it was an insult, it was stated that the reason people use crates is because they are too lazy to train.............read back through the posts!
and Casa, it was an insult, it was stated that the reason people use crates is because they are too lazy to train.............read back through the posts!
"That wasn't the issue under discussion. The issue was that I was somehow doing Smokey harm by not letting her spend time in a crate... I agree that some dogs need a crate, but there are alot of dogs that are crated out of sheer laziness by the owners to properly train their dogs. "Oh it's too much trouble to train Fido to do this or that, so I will just lock him in his crate and that will solve the problem." "
Notice that is says..." but there are alot of dogs.....", and it does not say everyone that uses a crate.
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