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After doing a quick search through the BC clubs of America (of which most were opposed to the AKC and promoted the working BC) the general concensus is the same as all other breed clubs. Ethical breeding practises consist of the removal of hereditary issues to improve the breed. The AKC in the 50's deemed retained testicles a DQ for ALL breeds because of the genetic implications and the health issues that result. Not only does cryptorchidism create a higher risk of cancer it is also specuated to effect behavior.
While the sire of your pup may be a wonder dog, the fact remains that you now have a puppy with a potential genetic health problem. As unfortunate as it is, would you want to pass your fears and disapointment on to another buyer?
Your pup is still young. This may not even be an issue to be worrying about yet. But if this will be a reality for you think long and hard and discuss these issues with other ethical BC breeders before letting your hopes and dreams guide you on such a serious matter.
While the sire of your pup may be a wonder dog, the fact remains that you now have a puppy with a potential genetic health problem. As unfortunate as it is, would you want to pass your fears and disapointment on to another buyer?
Your pup is still young. This may not even be an issue to be worrying about yet. But if this will be a reality for you think long and hard and discuss these issues with other ethical BC breeders before letting your hopes and dreams guide you on such a serious matter.
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Retained testicles in dogs involves a number of genes, and literature suggests that unaffected siblings and progeny of monorchid dogs have near the same risk of producing it as the affected dog.
There is a good reason why the vast majority of breeders select away from this trait.
There is a good reason why the vast majority of breeders select away from this trait.
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I disagree. Breeding a monorchid dog that you removed the undescended testicle (and clearly the puppy purchaser here had no idea that this was even PROBLEM!) is not ethical, in any way shape or form.
Does the rest of the oh so wonderful working border collie world KNOW that she's breeding uni-ballers? Or is it just so accepted now that no one cares?
Or *gasp* is it just that while working people like to paint the show people so evil, but it's the pot calling the kettle black - and they are willing to sacrifice on health if that's what it takes to get a working dog? That it's ok to only have one descended testicle and pass that along time and time again, as long as it can work?
Nope, sorry - I don't buy it. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Does the rest of the oh so wonderful working border collie world KNOW that she's breeding uni-ballers? Or is it just so accepted now that no one cares?
Or *gasp* is it just that while working people like to paint the show people so evil, but it's the pot calling the kettle black - and they are willing to sacrifice on health if that's what it takes to get a working dog? That it's ok to only have one descended testicle and pass that along time and time again, as long as it can work?
Nope, sorry - I don't buy it. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Many dogs from show german line GSD have sch, in fact in germany one of the dogs need to have AT LEAST sch 1 to breed a pair of dogs 
This is an example of german line with sch http://mx.geocities.com/machos_vgland/
http://mx.geocities.com/hembras_vgland/
This is an example of german line with sch http://mx.geocities.com/machos_vgland/
http://mx.geocities.com/hembras_vgland/
Yeah, the next person who brings it up is going to get a verbal bitchslap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDghne375FE
No, because it IS a serious issue and bears discussing but there is no good reason for us to make this all about one puppy and one person.
Jenn's got a lovely puppy; let's let her enjoy Blaze. She's got plenty of time ahead of her to consider the pros and cons of breeding.
Now, Nolu . . . is that video still so disturbing? I have no idea if it was based on a book or not though. Might be based on an anime series.
Jenn's got a lovely puppy; let's let her enjoy Blaze. She's got plenty of time ahead of her to consider the pros and cons of breeding.
Now, Nolu . . . is that video still so disturbing?
I have no idea if it was based on a book or not though. Might be based on an anime series.
Now you know Coop will have to watch it
It was a pretty decent movie though.
It was a pretty decent movie though.
Plus it was really cool how she could change hair color, clothes color etc........I want to be able to do that
No, because it IS a serious issue and bears discussing but there is no good reason for us to make this all about one puppy and one person.
Jenn's got a lovely puppy; let's let her enjoy Blaze. She's got plenty of time ahead of her to consider the pros and cons of breeding.
Now, Nolu . . . is that video still so disturbing?
Jenn's got a lovely puppy; let's let her enjoy Blaze. She's got plenty of time ahead of her to consider the pros and cons of breeding.
Now, Nolu . . . is that video still so disturbing?
I am a little lost, clearly I am new to this forum, but I just arrived home and caught up on this thread, I am not sure how debating this issue is harassing Lizmo?? I am very impartial here, not knowing any of you very well and I did not take it that way at all.... I think people are honestly just debating the issue that she brought up, not attacking her at all???? Maybe its just me but I did not take this as about her or Blaze specifically, more about an issue in breeding??
ETA: I was typing as a few others posted ((VERY slow typer.. LOL)) I just want to be clear I am not taking sides here, just that I don't think it IS about one person/ breeder/ puppy and I for one never took it that way if that makes Lizmo feel better
ETA: I was typing as a few others posted ((VERY slow typer.. LOL)) I just want to be clear I am not taking sides here, just that I don't think it IS about one person/ breeder/ puppy and I for one never took it that way if that makes Lizmo feel better
