Tail Docking ?

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  1. StillandSilent

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    I have recently been wondering about this. I know tail docking started because the owners wanted to prevent injuries way back then. But how did they decide how short to dock? I mean a Rott has a very short stub, a boxer has a little more and a Weim has a very long stub. Also, are any breeds natural bobtails? I had always heard that corgi's were.
     
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    No clue ! Guess by the breeder's standard .
     
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    With the Rotties, I'm pretty syre it was kept short to prevent their tails from getting stepped on while droving Cattle and was also docked to remove a 'handle' from the dog while guarding. With Weims and a few other sporting breeds, it was strictly to prevent the tails from getting hurt and/or broked but they left enough there so that they could still properly point and have somewhat of a rudder while swimming (this is what I was told by a Weim and Vizsla owner once). A lot of the breeds you see today who are docked extremely short (ex: Rottweiler) weren't docked as short a long time ago, judges for conformation shows just seem to prefer the short tail I guess so gradually they started docking shorter. As far as the Boxer and Doberman goes, I'm pretty sure they were also docked to get rid of handles as they are/were used as guarding breeds. Many Terriers were docked to prevent tail breakage but were left long enough to grab as a handle to get a dog out of a hole. All of this is just what I've been told over the years, and what I've read.

    Some breeds are natural bob tails. I think those would be the Old English Sheepdog (not sure if any are born with long tails, but I know a lot are natural bobs)), Catahoula Leopard Dog (some or born with bobtails, some have full tails), Australian Shepherd (again some are, some aren't), Pembroke Welsh Corgis (some are, some aren't), and a possibly a few others that I can't think of right now.
     
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    I understand the reason ... the Op was the length .
     
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    I tried my best to explain the different lengths and why they are the way they are, hopefully someone else who can explain better will see this thread. :)
     
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    I have to see that you don't see many docked dogs showing here in Europe because it's illegal now. Cropping ears and docking tails is supposed to be unethical and I have to say that I feel quite happy about it. :p
     
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    What exactly IS Tail docking??:confused:
     
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    Cutting the tail off after birth...... well known with working breeds like Spaniels, Dobermans, Boxers and so on.....
     
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    For my breed some are born naturally docked so they can be done at the 3rd digit and sadly the new thrend of dog fighting taking over native countries have a 5 digit dock so they can pull them apart and use the tail high posture to start aggressive issues.
     
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    Showing Rottweilers in Europe :) ..... all of them with tails and you have to admit that it's a pretty sight!

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    I must admit, I don't really like the look of the undocked rottie. To me, a rottie tail just doesn't look right. That semi-curly/fluffy tail looks like it belongs on a different breed or something, LOL.

    I can't remember where it was, but I've seen a website that compared specifically the muscular development of docked rottweilers vs. undocked rottweilers. It showed how the musculature of the hindquarters was very different between the two. It was quite interesting.
     
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    I guess it's all about what you're used to seeing. :) Here in Europe we don't dock or crop ears and most dogs we see in the show rings are `natural`. I quite frankly hardly see a docked Rottie these days and I reckon if I saw one I'd probably find it really strange! :p
     
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    I wish it was the same here...someday it will be. I think that you're right too that people like what's familiar to them. While I think there's almost nothing cuter than a Rotti NUB when it makes an attempt to wag (wiggle), I too love the au natural look.

    So few dogs are actually doing the work that they were bred to do. Studies show less that a small portion of 1 percent, so the arguement for docking/cropping for that purpose is pretty diluted these days.
    I do understand that some people just like the look better but I'm not sure that makes it necessary. JMO of course.:)

    EDIT - My bad, I only read the last post and responded to it..
    I have Brussels Griffons and while many are still cropped and docked, too many are done at home and incorrect for the standard. Someone here still uses elastic bands and ends up with no clear "recipe".
     
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    I personally think my Rotti X Alsation was docked too short...
    and i think a Rotti looks amazing with a natural tail...unfortunatly my dogs breeder got to her tail before we did :(
     
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    I wonder why some "breeders" choose to dock mixed breeds?
     
  19. Alexa's~Mom

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    I'm not sure. My rottie cross was docked, even though I didn't want her to be, but that's the way it goes.

    I can understand with the litter my pup came from, they all looked like rotties.
     
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    Hoping to answer the original question, the length of a dock was determined by breed and use of the dog. Ratters owners needing a handle to grab after flushing vermine, but not wanting a natural tail that might tangle in bramble or get caught up. Bullbaiting dogs and fighting dogs having as much of the tail and ear taken off as possible so that there were no "handles' for another dog or prey to get ahold of or tear off. The length of these crops/dockings has gotten longer today, i.e. the Boxer or Doberman, simply because they're no longer used for their intended purpose, but the crops/docking, continued to be done for cosmetic purposes. There's nothing formidable about a big hound like Dobie with floppy ears and a long wagging tail. So for now... the lengths are determined more for esthetics than functionality.
     
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