Summer and raw round 3
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I've been thinking about buying a meat grinder that can handle bone. How big are they and how much do they run? Also, where do you find them? I think that might be my best option but I started this thread to see if supplements could work as well.
I know some dogs will go right over to raw, my past dogs did just that and acted like it was the best thing in the world. Mia went straight into eating chicken wings and crunching through the bone. But that's not Summer. That kind of raw just isn't going to work for her.
I know some dogs will go right over to raw, my past dogs did just that and acted like it was the best thing in the world. Mia went straight into eating chicken wings and crunching through the bone. But that's not Summer. That kind of raw just isn't going to work for her.
I have a nice food processor that goes thru the chicken bones like nothing. As long as you chop them up some first, it hasn't given me any issues.
Meat grinders can be tricky- ones that can do bone are $$$. We have a Kitchen Aid mixer that we have a meat grinder for, but I haven't tried bone on that yet.
Meat grinders can be tricky- ones that can do bone are $$$. We have a Kitchen Aid mixer that we have a meat grinder for, but I haven't tried bone on that yet.
Laur - When I first started feeding raw I bought a meat grinder because I knew my Kitchen Aid attachement would die if I attempted it..
I bought a Tasin TS-108. Tasin TS-108 Electric Meat Grinder::Free Shipping::Sausage Stuffer::1 hp
I have yet to find anything that it can't handle.
I bought a Tasin TS-108. Tasin TS-108 Electric Meat Grinder::Free Shipping::Sausage Stuffer::1 hp
I have yet to find anything that it can't handle.
If you can't come up with a logical argument, just start using foul language to mask that fact. BTW: I have forgotten more about raw feeding than you will ever know. Don't tell me I"m full of misinformation, point out which information is wrong.
If you had learned to read, you wouldn't have made that statement.
Yeah, if you let them they might. This is where motivation and leadership come in.
If you had learned to read, you wouldn't have made that statement.
Yeah, if you let them they might. This is where motivation and leadership come in.
Eh, I've 'known' RFDs from previous forums. I saw he posted in this thread and knew what to expect. Some people don't ever learn.
Thanks Ash for the link. I think that might be a little too expensive for me at the moment though
Dan what brand is your food processor?
Btw, RFD, I'm pretty sure puppydog feeds raw to her dogs. But yes, papillons are very picky eaters in general. I've had the opposite problem, my shelties would gain weight just looking at food. But paps are very hard to keep weight on and Summer in particular HAS stopped eating for long enough that she made herself go near hypoglycemic. I had to force feed her and I will not let her go that long without eating again.
Thanks Ash for the link. I think that might be a little too expensive for me at the moment though
Dan what brand is your food processor?
Btw, RFD, I'm pretty sure puppydog feeds raw to her dogs. But yes, papillons are very picky eaters in general. I've had the opposite problem, my shelties would gain weight just looking at food. But paps are very hard to keep weight on and Summer in particular HAS stopped eating for long enough that she made herself go near hypoglycemic. I had to force feed her and I will not let her go that long without eating again.
RFD you have to realize that not every dog out there is going to be the exact same as your 100lb+ Great Danes. Until you raise, show, fancy toy breeds like laur and puppydog do i don't think you'll understand. These dogs are extremely delicate and take alot of special care to even get past puppyhood. A toy breed puppy can be 1lb or less at 8 weeks depending on the breed and lines and it may take feeding them small meals every hour on the hour to keep their sugars from dropping. Some of these dogs barely get to 5lbs as adults. That's less than your Danes' heads probably weigh. It's not about being "pack leader" it's a legitimate health concern.
I bet if one of my pugs didn't eat you'd be saying "oh leave them, they'll eat eventually... even if it's 5 days later". However you don't know my dogs. If one of my dogs doesn't eat, it means they're sick. I know my breed, pugs will eat anything. You don't know my breed the way i do or the way other pug fanciers, therefore you cannot make speculations on what is true or untrue. You do not know the Papillon breed the way these ladies do, therefore you are in no place to make dismissals like you have. A dog that is <5lbs is NOT going to be able to take the same "tough love" as a >100lb dane, they have different needs.
I bet if one of my pugs didn't eat you'd be saying "oh leave them, they'll eat eventually... even if it's 5 days later". However you don't know my dogs. If one of my dogs doesn't eat, it means they're sick. I know my breed, pugs will eat anything. You don't know my breed the way i do or the way other pug fanciers, therefore you cannot make speculations on what is true or untrue. You do not know the Papillon breed the way these ladies do, therefore you are in no place to make dismissals like you have. A dog that is <5lbs is NOT going to be able to take the same "tough love" as a >100lb dane, they have different needs.
This is where you are sooo wrong. Yes some people cave to easy. But as the owner of a dog who will stop eating if it takes to much effort (and yes she has tough it out and wait till something easier comes on rotation) Some dogs just won't eat things happily.
If you put cilantro in all my food I would likely eat just enough not to starve to death. I makes me gag it tastes so nasty.
Some dogs will not eat things. Has nothing to do with 'showing them whose boss' (what do you do eat it in front of them if they don't? :rofl1
And do you know the dangers of very small dogs and not eat? (rhetorical question obviously) How would you feel if someone took your advice and their dog got very sick and perhaps died?
If you put cilantro in all my food I would likely eat just enough not to starve to death. I makes me gag it tastes so nasty.
Some dogs will not eat things. Has nothing to do with 'showing them whose boss' (what do you do eat it in front of them if they don't? :rofl1
And do you know the dangers of very small dogs and not eat? (rhetorical question obviously) How would you feel if someone took your advice and their dog got very sick and perhaps died?
Summer is about 8 lbs, just fyi. She's not too hard to keep but her not eating for 2 days (like she has before) is a big concern. Toy breeds need to eat more for their body weight than big dogs and much more than giant dogs. They also need to eat more frequently. Papillons especially are not only toy sized, they are very thinly built dogs under their hair. They typically do not have much body fat at all and are rather sighthound- like in build. They actually have some of the same health concerns as sight hounds with meds and anesthesia due to the low amount of body fat. If they skip too many meals in succession they can drop a very large percentage of their weight fast. This is why advising people with toy dogs to 'wait it out' can end very badly.
I do not worry if she skips one or two meals a day but over a day and I get concerned. The time she stopped eating for two days she got so lethargic she wouldn't touch anything and was shaking uncontrollably. I would not recommend anyone waiting a toy dog out over a day.
I do not worry if she skips one or two meals a day but over a day and I get concerned. The time she stopped eating for two days she got so lethargic she wouldn't touch anything and was shaking uncontrollably. I would not recommend anyone waiting a toy dog out over a day.
My friend's pap was like this. She tried transitioning her to raw several times and her dog would only eat enough not to starve herself. She would only eat every few days. Her condition went down, her energy went down, she lost a LOT of weight very rapidly, etc. While I am not sure if a dog would really let themselves starve, some dogs will refuse a food enough that it affects their well being.
Actually they are. They are dogs. Regardless of size, they are dogs. They have the same physiology, the same body. They are the same species.
I don't think they are as delicate as some owners think they are. There is no more special care they could receive than to be fed an appropriate diet. That would eliminate a lot of their so called special needs.
Oh yes, my dogs heads weigh much more than 5 lbs. Probably closer to 20 lbs in the case of my Thor. It IS about being "pack leader" and making proper decisions for your dog. There is no more important decision than the decision to feed a proper diet and seeing to it that the dog eats it. Owners of every breed thinks their breed is different and not like other dogs. This is never the case. Dogs are dogs and dogs shouldn't be allowed to determine his diet anymore than a 3 year old human child.
Believe it or not, your pugs are dogs. All dietary requirements of all the other dogs pertain to your dog also.
If you are talking about regular eating habits, yes you are correct. BUT ... if you are talking about introducing a new food that the dog has never eaten, its a completely different story. In one situation it probably means they have a health problem. In the other, it won't hurt them to be a little hungry. There are many owners of toy dogs that fast their dogs one day a week. I talked to one that fasted their dogs two days once a week.
There is nothing breed specific about dietary requirements. All dogs require the same nutrients. Go back and read my posts in this thread. No where did i suggest letting the dog go multiple days without eating. I did offer several suggestions how the dog could be "encouraged" to eat bone. None of them suggested "starving" the dog. It seems everyone who is critisizing me is putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. You aren't the only one.
I don't think they are as delicate as some owners think they are. There is no more special care they could receive than to be fed an appropriate diet. That would eliminate a lot of their so called special needs.
Oh yes, my dogs heads weigh much more than 5 lbs. Probably closer to 20 lbs in the case of my Thor. It IS about being "pack leader" and making proper decisions for your dog. There is no more important decision than the decision to feed a proper diet and seeing to it that the dog eats it. Owners of every breed thinks their breed is different and not like other dogs. This is never the case. Dogs are dogs and dogs shouldn't be allowed to determine his diet anymore than a 3 year old human child.
Believe it or not, your pugs are dogs. All dietary requirements of all the other dogs pertain to your dog also.
If you are talking about regular eating habits, yes you are correct. BUT ... if you are talking about introducing a new food that the dog has never eaten, its a completely different story. In one situation it probably means they have a health problem. In the other, it won't hurt them to be a little hungry. There are many owners of toy dogs that fast their dogs one day a week. I talked to one that fasted their dogs two days once a week.
There is nothing breed specific about dietary requirements. All dogs require the same nutrients. Go back and read my posts in this thread. No where did i suggest letting the dog go multiple days without eating. I did offer several suggestions how the dog could be "encouraged" to eat bone. None of them suggested "starving" the dog. It seems everyone who is critisizing me is putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. You aren't the only one.
This is where leadership, guidance, and motivation come in. I understand that most people don't have a clue about how to use these in the contest of living with a dog.
I never said anything about "boss" or "alpha" or "making the dog eat". You also are puting words in my mouth.
I would feel bad for anyone whose beloved dog dies but the dog didn't die because of my advice.
Some dogs will not eat things. Has nothing to do with 'showing them whose boss' (what do you do eat it in front of them if they don't? :rofl1
I would feel bad for anyone whose beloved dog dies but the dog didn't die because of my advice.
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