Standard Poodle/Labradoodle/Goldendoodle

[dr2little]

I'm sorry, I love ALL dogs and I do think the doodles look like a fuzzy muppet which are cute. You are right though we have talked about this to much already. Sorry if I went off topic

I expected you to let me have it for asking that we not rehash this again. I do understand the frustration over this debat..I really do.

Thanks for your post, I really appreciate your understanding.

 

[sam]

I don't think you can make any guarantees or generalizations about doodles since they are a mix. They can have mostly the qualities of one parent or the other. They can shed quite a lot or hardly at all but you won't know which you have until that puppy grows up.

People often seem to think that when you do a cross you'll get the best qualities of each parent. If only that were the way it works! I wouldn't have gotten stuck with my Mom's big bum and I should have gotten my Dad's amazing math/science brain

Because labs and Goldens are in the top 10 most popular breeds and have been for a long time you sure see a HUGE variety is Lab and Golden looks as well as temperament. Lots of poorly bred labs and goldens out there unfortunately. Then throw some poodle into the mix. Pretty much a crapshoot what you're going to get which is apparently why the project was abandoned in Australia.

We have LOADS of doodles here. St. Albert must be the doodle capital of Canada. I see some that look so much like poodles I would be hard pressed to see any lab or golden traits and then some that are quite labby. The biggest problem I see too, is that many of the "breeders" breeding these dogs are in it to make a quick buck so their breeding stock is unlikely to be the best specimen of either breed. They don't seem very interested in how their puppies are going to fare either or they wouldn't be so dishonest with buyers. That's my only problem with the whole issue- incase anyone thinks I'm dissin doodles I'm not. Obviously there is a high demand for a largish, friendly, calm labbish dog that doesn't shed.

In our classes we have certainly seen HYPER labradoodles and the disillusionment of the owners is often apparent. They were promised and expecting this "perfect dog" (which of course we all know doesn't exist)- with a sweet labby personality probably on the more sedate side of labs and they seem to hope they'll look much like a lab only shaggier and without the shedding. So many of them don't fit this description.

We typically only see them for 6-8 weeks in puppy class or manners class. I just hope those people who were promised this mythical perfect dog and are realising that isn't what they have, are willing to stick by those dogs, spend the time and energy to teach them what they need to know rather than ditching the dog because it isn't quite what they thought they were getting.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

I'm sure there are great ones out there, but I've never met one. But the ones I meet are from skeazy breeders selling them with bogus claims, and are likely first generation mixes. Likely also using mediocre parents.

At the dog park, in the vet office and the groomer I've only met hyper active dogs that seem overly dopey. If I met a nice one, it would change things, but it really leaves an impression when you haven't ever met 'the one' everyone here describes.

Few vet techs had that discussion on another forum and also hadn't met a nice one. Seems the lady talked about it very lucky, and that dr2little, your Australian bred one came from someone who cares, and isn't the skeazy breeders that everyone here seems to get taken by on false claims and promises.

But, lately I'm also finding actually aggressive odd tempered labs and goldens in the dog park. Which tells me that the number of crappy breeders breeding dogs for people who don't know what to look for is also up as well. Wonder if that has anything to do with people have stranger doodle mixes unlike the ones you describe.

 

[bubbatd]

Dr2 and I are on the same page here . Unless you have a Standard , which the Australian Labradoodle has met and is nearing acceptance as a breed ... all others are still questionable mutts. The thing that scares me are the breeders here who are trying to rush the generation process for the betterment of their pockets ,,,not the new breed. An acquaintance of mine is now dead set on a Goldendoodle ..... 1st generation for $1200 . Wanted to know what to ask about the parent's AKC registration . Why ?? Ask instead of the health tests . Yes, some day both will be a recognized breed with standards .... but until then , who knows what you're getting .

 

[dr2little]

Dr2 and I are on the same page here . Unless you have a Standard , which the Australian Labradoodle has met and is nearing acceptance as a breed ... all others are still questionable mutts. The thing that scares me are the breeders here who are trying to rush the generation process for the betterment of their pockets ,,,not the new breed. An acquaintance of mine is now dead set on a Goldendoodle ..... 1st generation for $1200 . Wanted to know what to ask about the parent's AKC registration . Why ?? Ask instead of the health tests . Yes, some day both will be a recognized breed with standards .... but until then , who knows what you're getting .

Zacly...as my little 3 year old neighbor would say! Took the words right out of my mouth Grammy!

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

I expected you to let me have it for asking that we not rehash this again. I do understand the frustration over this debat..I really do.

Thanks for your post, I really appreciate your understanding.

Not a problem Dr2 , I like to keep the peace . By the way I love your Brussels, I would eventually like one for my first small dog. They are adorable! I love Amos's face !

 

[dr2little]

Not a problem Dr2 , I like to keep the peace . By the way I love your Brussels, I would eventually like one for my first small dog. They are adorable! I love Amos's face !

Thanks, he's one devoted, comical, tough (for a toy), sweet and smart little treasure. I'll always have a Brussels in my life.

 

[wolfsoul]

We groom several doodles..

I have yet to find a labradoodle I am not allergic to. I don't know what it is, but I'm more allergic to labradoodles than ANYTHING else. There is only one goldendoodle I am not allergic to. We only groom one flabradoodle but I am allergic to him. The doodles here are very dandruffy, I think that is why I have such a problem. The hairier they are, the more allergic I am (I think maybe because the hair traps more dandruff?) hence why I am more allergic to multi generation doodles. I'm allergic to a certain TYPE of dander that most breeds don't have, and the doodles have it.

As far as hyperness, I find the goldendoodles to be much more hyper, but the labradoodles are extremely skittish and absolutely terrified of everything. I've seen the parents of alot of these dogs as there is a breeder not too far away -- lovely dogs, they are shown, health tested, used for sport, etc. Somewhere between mixing the two breeds something goes terribly wrong, as I have yet to find a labradoodle with a decent temperament. There is one goldendoodle I really like -- he's a bugger to groom but a very nice dog, not a shy or sharp bone in his body, and not at all hyper like the others we do. NICE coat too, it's huge.

You never really know what you are going to get when you breed a mix -- I will stick with my purebreds --- alot more predictable! That lady was out of her mind, running around telling everyone what great dogs they are -- I NEVER spout off about Belgians, as Belgians need special homes, special care, and are difficult dogs to manage. Now she may have convinced someone to go and buy a labradoodle, thinking that they are hypoallergenic and not realising the amount of coat care they can require.

 

[lrynwnab]

Dr 2 Little, have you worked with Cockapoos? if so, how have your dealings been with them?
Thanks.

 

[dr2little]

Dr 2 Little, have you worked with Cockapoos? if so, how have your dealings been with them?
Thanks.

I'm not sure what you mean by that but if you're asking if I've trained them before, then Yes...many. This has been a popular mix since I was a little kid and I'm 45. I've found them to be wonderful little dogs. Are you asking about temperment?

 

[mamasobuco]

It sounds like she got REALLY lucky with her dog and is assuming all Labradoodles are the same. Considering they are not a breed and most probably come from dogs that are not well bred to begin with, I'm thinking she doesn't know much about dogs in general.

 

[Melissa_W]

We groom several doodles..

I have yet to find a labradoodle I am not allergic to. I don't know what it is, but I'm more allergic to labradoodles than ANYTHING else. There is only one goldendoodle I am not allergic to. We only groom one flabradoodle but I am allergic to him. The doodles here are very dandruffy, I think that is why I have such a problem. The hairier they are, the more allergic I am (I think maybe because the hair traps more dandruff?) hence why I am more allergic to multi generation doodles. I'm allergic to a certain TYPE of dander that most breeds don't have, and the doodles have it.

As far as hyperness, I find the goldendoodles to be much more hyper, but the labradoodles are extremely skittish and absolutely terrified of everything. I've seen the parents of alot of these dogs as there is a breeder not too far away -- lovely dogs, they are shown, health tested, used for sport, etc. Somewhere between mixing the two breeds something goes terribly wrong, as I have yet to find a labradoodle with a decent temperament. There is one goldendoodle I really like -- he's a bugger to groom but a very nice dog, not a shy or sharp bone in his body, and not at all hyper like the others we do. NICE coat too, it's huge.

You never really know what you are going to get when you breed a mix -- I will stick with my purebreds --- alot more predictable! That lady was out of her mind, running around telling everyone what great dogs they are -- I NEVER spout off about Belgians, as Belgians need special homes, special care, and are difficult dogs to manage. Now she may have convinced someone to go and buy a labradoodle, thinking that they are hypoallergenic and not realising the amount of coat care they can require.

I know exactly what you mean! At the dog park everyone always goes on about how cute Kai is. I'm quick to point out that Shelties bark and shed and require lots of exercise.

What's especially funny about this lady is that she will tell ANYONE they should get a Labradoodle, not knowing anything about their preferences or lifestyle. I was half wondering if she is in cahoots with this breeder.

Anyway, thanks for the input everyone. And thanks for keeping it civil!

 

[lrynwnab]

I'm not sure what you mean by that but if you're asking if I've trained them before, then Yes...many. This has been a popular mix since I was a little kid and I'm 45. I've found them to be wonderful little dogs. Are you asking about temperment?

Yes, temperment ... sorry

 

[ihartgonzo]

The Labradoodles I've met have varied from rambunctious & out of control, to completely skittish & anti-social (the majority of them leaning towards the former). Me & 2 of my friends bring our dogs to the dog park a few times a week, and we love watching dogs, and I always notice that I've never seen a Labradoodle that wasn't being "picked on". It's like the combination of the breeds tends to create a dog that is very goofy & silly & all over the place. They usually do zoomies everywhere, kind of tail tucked, crashing into other dogs, with a lack of manners. Of course, I have only met about 30 Labradoodles, and because they are mixed breeds they're bound to cover a huge variety of temperaments/coats/sizes/looks/etc.

But, yeah, making such generalizations about any mixed breed is just senseless, IMO. That's like me encouraging everyone to go out and buy Beagle/Corgi mixes, and promising that they will ALL look & act & shed exactly as Fozzie does. ;]