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If it worries you, you shouldn't - no reason to add to your stress level; you've certainly got enough right now 
I don't worry about the raw poultry bones with the Filas, as they thoroughly pulverize everything (you should see the size of those crushing molars ) and I don't worry about Bimmer as he chews things very thoroughly and eats at a leisurely pace. His teeth are also substantially larger than the average dogs'. I might, however, worry if they were gulpers like so many dogs tend to be.
I don't worry about the raw poultry bones with the Filas, as they thoroughly pulverize everything (you should see the size of those crushing molars
) and I don't worry about Bimmer as he chews things very thoroughly and eats at a leisurely pace. His teeth are also substantially larger than the average dogs'. I might, however, worry if they were gulpers like so many dogs tend to be.
Julie I hope you arent leaving and are only lurking. We are not right, we have opinions and that leads to good conversations/debates. What you said wasnt to harsh you had a passion behind your words. There is also the option in you User CP to ignore Manchesters posts so you dont have to deal with her posts and still interact with us.
Im siding with Yuckaduck, except about being angry about this part of the thread. http://chazhound.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97656&postcount=44
I was trying to touch on most of the points after my post last night but that would over load my brain so Im just going to jump around.
Not all of us own purebreds, the only way I would have one is as a rescue. For every "fact" there are a dozen theories. Ild rather have a good dog than a top dog show winner, read that as a working dog than a best in show winner.
Arco a local K9 GSD is very well behaved and trained. I was sitting in a class Arco and Officer Butcher, a friends older brother, where visiting sitting next to somebody ripped on weed, yes he stank of the rank, and I had just slammed a 40oz beer. Officer Butcher gave Arco his release and there was a noticable change in the dogs demeaner and he came to me first for ear scratchins totally ignoring the stench of my classmate. Butcher would shoot a perp that threatend the life of Arco, I doubt there would have been a warning same as a perp threatening the life of another trooper.
Manchester, you really must have been on the top shelf of breeders to hold yourself so high. Some of us "Yanks" hold Aussies in very high reguard, they have been a great ally to the US keep that in mind before talking down to any Aussie for any reason.
Ok Im stopping after page 8, I might pick this up tomorow if everybody hasnt hugged and made nice.
Manchesters, there are places in AK that get 90+ temps last year a recorded temp record was set at 100, 80 in my area is rare but does happen. When I redo my heating to infloor from the forced air Im leaving the ducts in place for when I can afford AC.
Im siding with Yuckaduck, except about being angry about this part of the thread. http://chazhound.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97656&postcount=44
I was trying to touch on most of the points after my post last night but that would over load my brain so Im just going to jump around.
Not all of us own purebreds, the only way I would have one is as a rescue. For every "fact" there are a dozen theories. Ild rather have a good dog than a top dog show winner, read that as a working dog than a best in show winner.
Arco a local K9 GSD is very well behaved and trained. I was sitting in a class Arco and Officer Butcher, a friends older brother, where visiting sitting next to somebody ripped on weed, yes he stank of the rank, and I had just slammed a 40oz beer. Officer Butcher gave Arco his release and there was a noticable change in the dogs demeaner and he came to me first for ear scratchins totally ignoring the stench of my classmate. Butcher would shoot a perp that threatend the life of Arco, I doubt there would have been a warning same as a perp threatening the life of another trooper.
Manchester, you really must have been on the top shelf of breeders to hold yourself so high. Some of us "Yanks" hold Aussies in very high reguard, they have been a great ally to the US keep that in mind before talking down to any Aussie for any reason.
Ok Im stopping after page 8, I might pick this up tomorow if everybody hasnt hugged and made nice.
Manchesters, there are places in AK that get 90+ temps last year a recorded temp record was set at 100, 80 in my area is rare but does happen. When I redo my heating to infloor from the forced air Im leaving the ducts in place for when I can afford AC.
No wonder your hated. You're telling me anyone who doesn't crate their dogs does not care about them? You're absolutely ridiculous. It's not luck.
It's called boredom when they start eating at the door, I put a stop to this by giving them toys to play with while I'm gone. A puppy-proofed room is sufficient you don't need to waste time crate training and money buying a crate. I see no use for it.
And you're telling me you've never left your dog alone, ever? Those of us who have a life, go to school, work, GROCERY STORE, etc.
There WILL be times where he'll have to be left alone for hours at a time even. And so far, a puppy-proofed area with some toys, maybe the TV on, works wonders.
You had no reason to say such a ludicrous and STUPID statements saying that I should never have toddlers around because I don't crate my dogs or another, that I don't care about them because I don't crate him.
That's like me saying that crates are barbaric cages used to confine dogs to small spaces used only in the medeival times but now are used by uneducated morons. But I'm actually mature and know that some people like to train their dogs in different ways.
It's called boredom when they start eating at the door, I put a stop to this by giving them toys to play with while I'm gone. A puppy-proofed room is sufficient you don't need to waste time crate training and money buying a crate. I see no use for it.
And you're telling me you've never left your dog alone, ever? Those of us who have a life, go to school, work, GROCERY STORE, etc.
There WILL be times where he'll have to be left alone for hours at a time even. And so far, a puppy-proofed area with some toys, maybe the TV on, works wonders.
You had no reason to say such a ludicrous and STUPID statements saying that I should never have toddlers around because I don't crate my dogs or another, that I don't care about them because I don't crate him.
That's like me saying that crates are barbaric cages used to confine dogs to small spaces used only in the medeival times but now are used by uneducated morons. But I'm actually mature and know that some people like to train their dogs in different ways.
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I guess crating works on some dogs and doesnt work on others. Saying which method is better is just a matter of opinion. Either way, If I crated my Golden Retriever, I'd come home to a smash up crate. I'd rather let my dogs stay alone in the house. They don't cause mischief and normally they just sleep. They're dreaming of me cuz I'm the ideal dog owner and all animals love me.
The Knower of All Things Canine has spoken.
Once again do not argue for you shall never win!
The Knower of All Things Canine has spoken.
Once again do not argue for you shall never win!
Lol shredhead
Here in Australia the most its ever got to that i can remember is 42 degrees. Compared to a whopping 100 degree's some of you guys havewhere you live. Some people disagree for me leaving my dogs outside for a couple hours a day. Just because they think its 100 degree's over here. But its not. Anyway, im just rising another old story. The thing is Manchesters, not everyone lives like you, not everyone has as much money as you. If you want to keep your dog/s running around inside all the time, and only take them out when its walkies time, its not our problem. So stop acting like you know everything there is to know about dogs.
Sorry guys it doesn't make much sense, but i got a head ache and feel a bit sick.
Cya
Here in Australia the most its ever got to that i can remember is 42 degrees. Compared to a whopping 100 degree's some of you guys havewhere you live. Some people disagree for me leaving my dogs outside for a couple hours a day. Just because they think its 100 degree's over here. But its not. Anyway, im just rising another old story. The thing is Manchesters, not everyone lives like you, not everyone has as much money as you. If you want to keep your dog/s running around inside all the time, and only take them out when its walkies time, its not our problem. So stop acting like you know everything there is to know about dogs.
Sorry guys it doesn't make much sense, but i got a head ache and feel a bit sick.
Cya
My golden, Eli, preferred to be outside in almost all elements. He was an inside dog mostly, but I would let him stay out when I went to work on nice days. He had a doggy pool, shade, a garage with a big bed and a radio. If it was real hot, he'd stay inside. Or if it was 55 degrees or below, he'd stay inside. Otherwise, he was outside and absolutely loved it. In the wintertime when I was home, I'd let him out in the snow and he'd just lay there in a snowdrift and snooze in the sun -- by HIS choice. But my Hunter doesn't like to stay outside unless I'm there with him. He prefers to be by my side wherever I am. All dogs are different.
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It gets 120 here so I don't let my dogs go outside cept to go potty. They got a pool and shade but when its 110 degrees in the shade, it just doesnt cut it.
My dogs also would rather be outside. They would be out there all the time if it was their choice but during the summer its not. during the winter, they can do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt them.
My dogs also would rather be outside. They would be out there all the time if it was their choice but during the summer its not. during the winter, they can do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt them.
For lots of dogs, toys won't cut it if they are alone. There are dogs who will destroy the carpet, the wood floor, the door, the gate or more if they are left alone - without counting tearing out the toys. For those, you need a crate. For people who can't have a puppy proof room (and, I repeat, it's not possible for everyone), crate is the best solution as well. Also, there is no such thing was wasting time crate training a dog. It will always be useful to have dogs used to crate, whether it is for when they go to the vet, or have to travel by plane.
There's no right or wrong about crate training - just need to know your dog and to know if they will be safe enough outside of it. What annoys me though is people who say 'crates aren't for all dogs', when most of them haven't even given it a serious try after the first cries once the dog was in it. Because well, no dog will like it at first. And it often does seem like we are monsters if we crate our dogs, too.
There's no right or wrong about crate training - just need to know your dog and to know if they will be safe enough outside of it. What annoys me though is people who say 'crates aren't for all dogs', when most of them haven't even given it a serious try after the first cries once the dog was in it. Because well, no dog will like it at first. And it often does seem like we are monsters if we crate our dogs, too.
Another post for the outside thing (I like this thread, we can talk about everything and anything, lol). My dogs love being outside, but they are better inside with me. If I let them out, they will come back after 10 minutes to be with me. My yard isn't very big, and there's lots of crap in it (like the kitchen, it should be totally redone, but we can't afford that either), they like chasing each other in it (or the cats), but that's about it.
At the moment I only let them out 5 minutes every hour to let them pee, because it's really hot. I don't even walk Boris, but they play in the house with the AC. I would never leave them outside when I am not home, because I don't trust anyone not to come and open the gate (the back yard gate opens on the side alley). Some people went to cut a tree in my neighbor's yard a few months ago, and when they were gone I noticed that my gate was opened. I'm just never going to take the risk.
At the moment I only let them out 5 minutes every hour to let them pee, because it's really hot. I don't even walk Boris, but they play in the house with the AC. I would never leave them outside when I am not home, because I don't trust anyone not to come and open the gate (the back yard gate opens on the side alley). Some people went to cut a tree in my neighbor's yard a few months ago, and when they were gone I noticed that my gate was opened. I'm just never going to take the risk.
Well I guess you showed me huh? Feel better now that your knowledge reins supreme? Sadly I do know about terriers, sight hounds, and hunting dogs. Hubbys dad owns a springer that was first in the U.S. for three years running and was leased out to numerous high end hunters. I also have a medical background in both animal and human anatomy and physiology. But to you I guess that means nothing. I would never buy a dog from a breeder like you that openly admits to breeding from a line rampart with cancer. I know that you can't always avoid cancer and some is environmental rather than hereditary but you are an irresponsible breeder to breed animals so prone to cancer. Get off you high horse. Just because you are older than me and have more breeding experience doesn't mean that you have bothered to learn anything new to better improve the health of your breed. I have clocked in numerous hours but I didn't put my blinders on when I did it like you seem to have.
Bow down to the high and mighty Manchester, LOL. It is people like you that make it evident that ignorance breeds ignorance.
Bow down to the high and mighty Manchester, LOL. It is people like you that make it evident that ignorance breeds ignorance.
Here's what my research told me about your breed and to me it doesn't look like cancer is running rampart in this breed any more than others. In fact it looks like there is less cancer in this breed than in many others...
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Well now, there is not enough space to go into the genetics of the inheritability of the various types of cancers. And since I did not feed my dogs great grandparents, all of whom died of cancer of one form or another, I most certainly cannot make the suggested connection.
As far as irresponsible, no, I did not ask you, because you don't know what the heck you are talking about, and you have no knowledge even of the subject. IF you used a little logic it might dawn upon you that my dogs were already on the ground before their parents and grandparents were diagnosed with cancer. My female Kelly--the top winning champion died of cancer. She was never bred. My champion Robin, who is out of Jiggs has never been bred. She is 9 years old now. Her sister Sophie was the top producer two years ago, and so far Sophie does not have cancer, nor do any of her champion offspring. We shall have to just wait and see. OF COURSE.........if you knew ANYTHING about most dog breeds and lines as far as breeding you would be aware that almost all breeds and all lines are infused with cancer now a days.
Lymphosarcoma 0 0.00% 4 0.39%
Malignant melanoma 0 0.00% 3 0.29%
Mammary cancer 1 0.30% 3 0.29%
Mast cell tumor 1 0.30% 1 0.10%
Osteosarcoma 0 0.00% 1 0.10%
Squamous cell carcinoma 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
Transmittable venereal tumor 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
CANCER, OTHER 0 0.00% 3 0.29%
“Other” Disorders
fi Liver cancer
fi Precancerous tumour
fi Non-malignant mammary tumours
Manchester Health and Genetics Survey - 10
Several types of cancer were identified at relatively low levels, none affecting more than 4 individuals. These included Basal Cell Tumors (0.29%), Chondrasarcoma (0.10%), Lymphosarcoma (0.39%), Malignant Melanoma (0.29%), Mammary Cancer (0.29%), Mast Cell Tumor (0.10%), Osteocarcoma (0.10%). Disorders identified under ‘other’ included Liver Cancer, Pre-cancerous Tumor and Non-malignant Mammary Tumors. While there was no specific type of cancer which exhibited a marked increase between the two time periods analyzed, the overall incidence of oncologic manifestations did increase significantly as only two instances of cancer related illnesses were noted for the period from 1960-1989.
http://www.geocities.com/myamtc/summary.doc
So your excuse that all dog breeds have cancer has nothing to do with this. I am telling you that there can be a correlation between the food you feed and the cancer your dogs have died from, even the parents and great grandparents. Before you critique me on what and how much I know about dog breeding, line breeding, and cross breeding maybe you should find out how much I know which may be enough to suprise you.
Originally Posted by Manchesters
Well now, there is not enough space to go into the genetics of the inheritability of the various types of cancers. And since I did not feed my dogs great grandparents, all of whom died of cancer of one form or another, I most certainly cannot make the suggested connection.
As far as irresponsible, no, I did not ask you, because you don't know what the heck you are talking about, and you have no knowledge even of the subject. IF you used a little logic it might dawn upon you that my dogs were already on the ground before their parents and grandparents were diagnosed with cancer. My female Kelly--the top winning champion died of cancer. She was never bred. My champion Robin, who is out of Jiggs has never been bred. She is 9 years old now. Her sister Sophie was the top producer two years ago, and so far Sophie does not have cancer, nor do any of her champion offspring. We shall have to just wait and see. OF COURSE.........if you knew ANYTHING about most dog breeds and lines as far as breeding you would be aware that almost all breeds and all lines are infused with cancer now a days.
Lymphosarcoma 0 0.00% 4 0.39%
Malignant melanoma 0 0.00% 3 0.29%
Mammary cancer 1 0.30% 3 0.29%
Mast cell tumor 1 0.30% 1 0.10%
Osteosarcoma 0 0.00% 1 0.10%
Squamous cell carcinoma 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
Transmittable venereal tumor 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
CANCER, OTHER 0 0.00% 3 0.29%
“Other” Disorders
fi Liver cancer
fi Precancerous tumour
fi Non-malignant mammary tumours
Manchester Health and Genetics Survey - 10
Several types of cancer were identified at relatively low levels, none affecting more than 4 individuals. These included Basal Cell Tumors (0.29%), Chondrasarcoma (0.10%), Lymphosarcoma (0.39%), Malignant Melanoma (0.29%), Mammary Cancer (0.29%), Mast Cell Tumor (0.10%), Osteocarcoma (0.10%). Disorders identified under ‘other’ included Liver Cancer, Pre-cancerous Tumor and Non-malignant Mammary Tumors. While there was no specific type of cancer which exhibited a marked increase between the two time periods analyzed, the overall incidence of oncologic manifestations did increase significantly as only two instances of cancer related illnesses were noted for the period from 1960-1989.
http://www.geocities.com/myamtc/summary.doc
So your excuse that all dog breeds have cancer has nothing to do with this. I am telling you that there can be a correlation between the food you feed and the cancer your dogs have died from, even the parents and great grandparents. Before you critique me on what and how much I know about dog breeding, line breeding, and cross breeding maybe you should find out how much I know which may be enough to suprise you.
it is just a theory..but considering the lung i saw on oprah..the one of the person that lived in the city..vs the one that did not..the city one full of black spots (both non smokers)..the fact that our water is undrinkable (unless your brave) and our soil is stock full of herbicides and pesticides..that the air is filthy with our pollution..you cant eat the fish for the mercury content..the meat if full of steriods, and anitibotics, the vegetables full of pesticides and biotampering..that the cancer to both us and our dogs is our own doing..and that the dogs of the past simply died and a lot of the reasons were undetected..or unknown. I look at my neighbors that spray their yards monthly ..and the truck that goes by and fogs for mosquitos..and finally the neighbor that sprayed his yard so well he killed everything green and it has remained so all summer so he wouldnt have to mow ( i think of it as the cancer yard) and wonder how we as a society can be so ignorant to our actions..and then wail over the outcomes.
I agree completely Smkie. When I was taking care of a family member who was dying of cancer I learned quite a bit about knew theories. Most people subscribe to the idea that it's 'genetic' and that there's not a lot you can do to prevent it. But really more and more researchers agree that environmental factors play a HUGE role. Especially food you eat, what you are exposed to and air quality. I believe some cancers are thought to be more genetic than others. But they can all be fought/prevented with a healthy diet.
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