Should Religion Play a Part in Who You Vote For?

[Buckshot]

Any worse than promising to punish "rich" people who have EARNED what they have, only to give it to those who have not, or ever will?

That is something I will never for the life of me understand. Why do people who have earned little, hate those who have earned a lot. Why is it the responsibility of the ones who have made a lot of money to solve the problems of those who havent. When the rich walk down the street, the sidewalks dont break why should they have to pay more?

To gain gain votes based on victimizing a minority is just as evil in my opinion as getting votes from religious promises.

Religious and economic division is putting idiots in power. If we could accept that a person with or without religion can lead, and that if some of us are enslaved, we are not free people. We almost all seem to think the government is too powerful and too intrusive, if we could just get together on that one issue, it would save us from having another civil war down the line. If we only voted for a candidate who wanted to drastically cut income taxes and spending money on welfare foriegn and domestic, it would send quite a message to those wannabe leaders.

 

[Puckstop31]

I dont have much trouble understanding what Thomas Jefferson had to say, I want to figure out what you are trying to say.

I think she is trying to say that this country was founding by God fearing men and formed the government based on the idea that the people more or less shared the same principles.

I just re-read "Common Sense" from Thomas Paine. It was very striking to realize just how much faith the founders placed in God.

 

[Renee750il]

I dont have much trouble understanding what Thomas Jefferson had to say, I want to figure out what you are trying to say.

Per-zactly!

 

[Puckstop31]

Our welfare system is beautiful isnt it?

Actually... No its not. I understand the need for such a system, but only at a state level (at most) and only for VERY limited amounts of time.

This nation has spent 11 TRILLION dollars on "the war on poverty", yet listen to the pundits scream about how horrible things are. Obviously the current system ain't working.

 

[Renee750il]

The war on poverty is a successful as the war on drugs, the war on illiteracy, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq . . . . Notice how every time we declare war on something it's like pouring gasoline on a fire?

 

[PoodleMommy]

Actually... No its not. I understand the need for such a system, but only at a state level (at most) and only for VERY limited amounts of time.

This nation has spent 11 TRILLION dollars on "the war on poverty", yet listen to the pundits scream about how horrible things are. Obviously the current system ain't working.

the comment was meant to have a strong SARCASTIC overtone... I think our welfare system should be scrapped completly and a new well thought out plan put in its place... including mandatory work programs and strict limits on time allowed in the system, among many other things.

There is no need for generations upon generations of people to be on welfare... get up and get a job!

Welfare was not meant to be a career.

 

[Buckshot]

I think she is trying to say that this country was founding by God fearing men and formed the government based on the idea that the people more or less shared the same principles.

I just re-read "Common Sense" from Thomas Paine. It was very striking to realize just how much faith the founders placed in God.

I value the work they did to get us the Bill of Rights. I dont agree with forcing their God on the indigenous people, killing people who refused their reform, forcing them onto reservations or bringing in slaves from across the globe. They did mention God a lot, but they didnt see the Africans or Native Americans as humans or held less value on them for not believing in God. I see a lot of hypocrisy in that as I do from our current leader and his agenda. Not very Christlike in my opinion. There is little more dangerous in this world than armed men who think God is on their side.

 

[Renee750il]

There is little more dangerous in this world than armed men who think God is on their side.

Except for the fools who follow them . . .

 

[Puckstop31]

the comment was meant to have a strong SARCASTIC overtone... I think our welfare system should be scrapped completly and a new well thought out plan put in its place... including mandatory work programs and strict limits on time allowed in the system, among many other things.

There is no need for generations upon generations of people to be on welfare... get up and get a job!

Welfare was not meant to be a career.

Oh... My bad.

Sorry, I have a thing about the "roll eyes" emoticon. I'll leave it at that as it is rather sorted. LOL

 

[PoodleMommy]

Oh... My bad.

Sorry, I have a thing about the "roll eyes" emoticon. I'll leave it at that as it is rather sorted. LOL

haha sorry... it is my favorite emoticon... I use it to mean almost everything, haha... I get in trouble for rolling my eyes in person all the time... Ill try and lay off the emoticon button though.

 

[MelissaCato]

I dont have much trouble understanding what Thomas Jefferson had to say, I want to figure out what you are trying to say.

What I'm saying is, what happened on Sept 11, 2001 was arbitrary to the principles founded by the fathers of the US Constitution, and our Pres done away with "habeas corpus" shortly there after beside the Patriotic Act, which in all says, freedom of religion is void ... how extreme you decide to be with it is up to you. But it's a done deal. Islam is a government disquised by Religion ... our Pres isn't so stupid after all. He's protecting our country from a form of government that has an agenda usein' the Constitution as a shield... the average peaceful thinking American is nieve to notice, even after seeing Sep 11, 2001. All you need to know about Islam you should have learned on that terrible day, if you didn't, I'm sure your for habeas corpus in this country. This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Now reread my Jefferson post ... does it make sense?

 

[Buckshot]

Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: (1) Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. (2) Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depository of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist; and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves.

I have reread the above quote and it just tells me you are rooted firmly in the #1 type. I dont think our current administration has done anything other than increase the activity and numbers of terrorists. I think we have wrote an enormous check for our kids to cash.

 

[Renee750il]

First, in the interests of synchronising terminology:

Latin: a court order that a specific person being detained be promptly produced, by the detaining authority, before a judge for a hearing to decide whether the detention is lawful.

A challenge made by a prisoner in regards to the legality of his or her detention.

While traditionally a criminal law remedy, it has been used in immigration, child custody, mental health and, more recently, in national or homeland security.

The predominant feature of martial law is the suspension of habeas corpus, effectively denying persons detained from having their detention challenged quickly and by an independent court or judge.

¶5(4) of the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights states:

"Everyone who is deprived of his liberty by arrest or detention shall be entitled to take proceedings by which the lawfulness of his detention shall be decided speedily by a court and his release ordered if the detention is not lawful. "

¶10 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is as follows:

"Everyone has the right on arrest or detention to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor; to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful."

A distinctive feature of martial law is the suspension of this remedy.

¶9 of the US Constitution reads:

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

Habeas corpus was one of the concessions the British Monarch made in the Magna Carta and has stood as a basic individual right against arbitrary arrest and imprisonment.

In 1679, the British Parliament sought to address the abuse of delay in having a habeas corpus claim brought before a judge, thereby defeating the purpose of it in any event. The preamble of the Habeas Corpus Act read:

"Whereas great delays have been used by sheriffs, gaolers and other officers, to whose custody, any of the King's subjects have been committed for criminal or supposed criminal matters, in making returns of writs of habeas corpus to them directed, by standing out an alias and pluries habeas corpus, and sometimes more, and by other shifts to avoid their yielding obedience to such writs, contrary to their duty and the known laws of the land, whereby many of the King's subjects have been and hereafter may be long detained in prison, in such cases where by law they are bailable, to their great charges and vexation."

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/H/Habeascorpus.aspx

 

[MelissaCato]

I have reread the above quote and it just tells me you are rooted firmly in the #1 type. I dont think our current administration has done anything other than increase the activity and numbers of terrorists. I think we have wrote an enormous check for our kids to cash.

On a global level ya I'd be #1, in my neck of the woods it would be #2.

 

[MelissaCato]

US Constitution : "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

Good post.

Now where's that King :lol-sign:.....

 

[Buckshot]

On a global level ya I'd be #1, in my neck of the woods it would be #2.

So you think we should rule the world with an iron fist, yet have freedom here at home? It aint gonna go down that way, I promise.

 

[Renee750il]

I keep seeing legal terminology thrown around and used in ways that make it obvious that the terminology is just being used as buzzwords without an understanding of the meaning. Another symptom of our modern society built on dis-information.

 

[MelissaCato]

So you think we should rule the world with an iron fist, yet have freedom here at home? It aint gonna go down that way, I promise.

No not rule the world. Just do the job at home.

 

[Buckshot]

No not rule the world. Just do the job at home.

What job?

 

[DoggyDaze]

No not rule the world. Just do the job at home.

Maybe we just settle for being the world's policeman.