Shiloh Shepherds

[Jynx]

I used to belong to the shiloh club,,the one the 'originator' of the breed created. This was quite a few years ago.

Long story short, I've had some personal experience with shilohs, (friends owned them and they came from the orginator of the breed)..I wouldn't pay that amount of money (and they are WAY over priced in my opinion), for one.

Nice to look at ,,yes,,good temps,? I've seen better, Good health? I'll take my chances on a gsd before I would a Shiloh.

All I can say is,,you better be darn sure of who your dealing with if purchasing a Shiloh. That breeder better be able to show you proof of hips and elbows being certified by an organization NOT a vet/breed warden.

Nuff said
Diane

 

[Dakotah]

Wow thanks a ton!

 

[SmexyPibble]

I may be going to a Shiloh breeder's house this weekend. I will get tons of pictures!

 

[Dakotah]

OOOH thanks!

 

[Bodi's Mom]

Hey Dakota - I actually had a female, show quality Shiloh for three weeks. Shelby was 5 months when I purchased her from a very reputable breeder (an actual partner of the breeds originator). She was a beautiful sable with black markings - a living doll. All was great , but she was relentless with my BMD, Bodi. Bodi gets along with all dogs and he tolerated Shelby to the max, but she was badgering him to the point of exhaustion - not dominating, just playing. We had to make a very difficult decision since owning a Shiloh has been a dream of mine since I first met one back in 1994. Regretfully, we gave Shelby back to the breeder who was very understanding. Bodi slept for three days after that.

I still will own a Shiloh one day.

 

[SmexyPibble]

Aww, poor Bodi!

 

[Dakotah]

Aww poor Bodi!
But I bet you enjoyed that little shiloh girl?

 

[SmexyPibble]

Hey Dakotah.

Got back from the breeder's with my some-hundred-photo-filled-Canon a few hours ago. She had a lot of gorgeous Shilohs.

The breeder's website is www.SolaceShilohs.com and she was absolutly wonderful. She has an amazing kennel and some spectacular pups and gorgeous adult Shilohs. When the pups are born she puts a colored ribbon on them. When they are 3 weeks old the ribbon is removed to avoid another puppy choking another by pulling on the ribbon and she takes them in to get microchipped. She matches the microchip number to the ribbon color and the puppies go by their color from there.

She had all of the puppies evaluated today and I attended that. They did a series of tests to see what level of submission, independence, etc. and other characteristics they have to detemine what kind of family the puppies would be good in and what activities they would be good at, such as Tracking or Agility. They decide whether the puppy is "Hard" or "Soft" through these tests and determine what family each puppy would fit the best into. Then they alert the puppy owners they have lined up what puppy she thinks would be best for them such as, "The Lime-Green puppy would fit your family best because..." and then they would say whether the puppy had a high drive, low submission, was very independent, etc. and place the best puppy with the best family that way the family is happy and the dog is at its happiest.

Laura [the breeder] also gave me a ton of useful tips as far as training and raising puppies, etc. She was very, very busy today so she couldn't spend too much time informing me, but I'll be going back next week.

I fell in love with her kennel and guesss what...
I'll be working with her from now on!

So, from now on you guys will be seeing tons of Shiloh photos IF my permission is granted to post the photos on here. If not you'll all be hearing about it, at least.

In case you didn't know, Shiloh's come in two different coat types. "Plush" - the gorgeous coat you see on most Shiloh's and "Smooth-coat" - which is alot like the coat of a GSD, but smoother; not as coarse.

The difference between GSDs and Shilohs, if you're wondering, is their top line (GSD's have a slanted one, as you can always tell, and Shiloh's have a straight topline). The Shiloh's head, hindquarters, chest, etc. are more broad than your typical GSD and Shilohs are not hearly as hard as GSDs are, meaning Shilohs are much more senstive than GSDs.

Just to illustrate that...

German Shepherd Dogs.

www.klgsd.com

www.vomhausmiller.com

Smooth coated Shiloh.

www.dogbreedinfo.com

Plush coated Shilohs

www.xandushilohs.com

I got all that information & more from the breeder today. I really had a great time and learned a lot. I also fell in love with the breed of Shiloh Shepherds. They're wonderful!

Oh, and about all of those pictures I took......
They are all edited & resized, just awaiting a permission granting email to post them all here.

 

[vomdominus]

Actually, not all GSDs have the curved back like that. That is a German Showline trait. Working lines tend to have straight backs just like the Shilohs. IT also has alot to do with the way you stand them. Look at my boy for example....

But, as you can see, that slant comes from how I have him standing; alot of people stack their dogs slightly overstretched. Somehow, that became fashionable.

Here he is with a straight, level back just like the Shilohs:

That was an ancient pic from when he was about 18 months old, btw.


How tall are those dogs? You mentioned them being broader, but they look kinda thin to me (that may just be those particular dogs though). Do they have reds and browns, or are they all the cream color like that?

 

[chanda]

Shiloh resembles GSD's a lot...

 

[vomdominus]

Shiloh resembles GSD's a lot...

They were developed from GSD lines. The breed originator wanted to get back to old style GSD blood; their health, solid build and look; but for some reason they bred them way oversized.

 

[release the hounds]

if they wanted an old style dog it would have been a medium dog with short coarse hair that was athletic and drivey and could work all day long and come home and protect the house. Instead they got grossly oversized, terrible hips and health, long coats with no drive or working ability. Great job (sarcasm)

The only people that would think this was an attempt to get an "old world" shepherd would be people that had no clue where, why or how the GSD was created, and didn't care to really know either because any quick glance into their history will show you there is nothing old world about shilo shepherds

 

[Dakotah]

After reading and researching, I think that the SS look NOTHING like the GSD.

 

[Jynx]

release the hounds, has hit the nail on the head with the description of the shiloh.

They are nice to look at, but they are NOT bred with the "old style" in mind. They are bred for a market of people who want BIG German Shepherds, they are in no way a true german shepherd tho they were started with GSD blood, big was bred to bigger, coats bred to coats..and they continued on, throwing in some malmute and gosh knows what else.

Look at Max's original dogs,,those dogs are rangey, long legged, and as the poster said,,built to work.

When you read "old style", it's more a sales pitch than the truth. I have no problem with the breeding of Shilohs, what I have a problem with, is calling them "old style gsd's" because they aren't..)
diane

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

:hail: :hail: Diane and release the hounds!!!

I'll take my medium sized male any day. I had a 100# male and now I prefer a smaller dog. I love it when people think "old style" GSD's were huge, LMAO :rofl1:. And I got I straight back dog over here too, VomDom.

 

[vomdominus]

Diane and release the hounds!!!

I'll take my medium sized male any day. I had a 100# male and now I prefer a smaller dog. I love it when people think "old style" GSD's were huge, LMAO . And I got I straight back dog over here too, VomDom.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Ty's 85-90 depending on the last time he's had a movement, and he's actually oversized by a quarter of an inch. Annie's on the small side though at just a hair over 23", so I think most of my pups will be medium sized, and so far, with the exception of Abrams (90 lbs at 8 months!), most of them are. All of thepups I'm still in contact with are 55-70 lbs, with the girls being on the smaller side. I can't stand oversized GSDs, and it really irks me when people with their 130 pound hockwalkers ask me why my dogs are so small, and say Ty must be a Mal mix because hes sable..

 

[Dakotah]

And I must say Ty and Annie are STUNNING dogs!

 

[Jynx]

the "mutant" I had (who's dogs in his past lines by the way were used to create shilohs, unbekownst(sp) to me nor his breeder),,,,was 125lbs/ 36" at the shoulders..You could land a lear jet on his nose..Don't get me wrong,,I loved the big lug,,BUT when he ended up with spondylosis, it was VERY hard taking care of such a BIG dog..He passed away at 9 years of age from complications of the spondylosis,,had great hips tho )

Anyhow,,the rest of my GSD's, have all been within standard size, standard weight. My 11 yr old , is 26" and 80lbs,,people comment all the time he looks BIGGER..but he really isn't..Even at that weight, he is no easy dog to move if I have to.

I am hoping my new puppy will stay nice and petite (it's why I'm liking my aussies sizes as well ) She is just 6 mths, weighs in at 48#, long legged, short bodied, very "czech" looking (which I she is and I like) and hey I can give her a boost easily if I have to !!

So yeah, as I get older,,I'm liking those smaller compact dogs myself..

 

[release the hounds]

Annie's on the small side though at just a hair over 23",

if you're measuring correctly she's actually at the large end of the standard the rough measurements are 21-23 inches for a female

 

[vomdominus]

if you're measuring correctly she's actually at the large end of the standard the rough measurements are 21-23 inches for a female

What standard? AKC is 22-24.