Save the Earth... Sterilise yourself
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asked what? I have been a single parent all the way through, i left my marraige when the children were very small. IT took working 15 hours a day with two jobs to barely make the bills without a crumb left over. AND i had a vegetable garden. IT's still not enough. I certainly couldn't have provided the protein they needed on our one acre of land.
If there are ways...then folks could be shown...
Maybe some grassroots classes in the areas most people don't bother with...on home canning or gardening...etc.
They have those "Dream Dinners" places now...maybe there's a niche for something like that that's more 'green' and specifically, budget based, and charitable, etc.
I honestly think this'd be a great idea for someone to run with....also time management/organizational stuff...I know there's life coaches already for that type of thing...but from a green perspective might be different enough...esp if offered as a charitable thing.
The seeds of a new type of charitable green organization?...
Maybe some grassroots classes in the areas most people don't bother with...on home canning or gardening...etc.
They have those "Dream Dinners" places now...maybe there's a niche for something like that that's more 'green' and specifically, budget based, and charitable, etc.
I honestly think this'd be a great idea for someone to run with....also time management/organizational stuff...I know there's life coaches already for that type of thing...but from a green perspective might be different enough...esp if offered as a charitable thing.
The seeds of a new type of charitable green organization?...
I believe he already said that they need to make it an incentive to be green.... not to cost an arm and a leg. If it didn't cost a fortune for companies to "go green" More would probably do it. If they saved money by recycling, eco-friendly emissions etc etc or even if it didn't cost them extra.... more places would do it... but here's the thing.... "going green" is a market too. there are people profiting by charging an arm and a leg for companies to keep up with eco standards. NOW these companies that are TRYING to keep up to code ALSO have to make a profit so that they can continue to make their product. Everything is a market. I don't know how they can change that... but there needs to be incentive for companies to "go green" not staggering cost.
Perhaps if there were "green" laundry services that were much cheaper than hiring your own staff to clean hotel sheets with chemicals... perhaps all hotels and motels would do that....
You may think that these companies should go green just because it's good for the planet... but regardless of what we THINK should happen... the bottom line is PROFIT. We don't have to like it and it may seem like a silly reason for companies to keep up with their polluting ways...b ut THAT is reality. Therefore, there needs to be some sort of solution to make going green more cost effective. If they make "green" services cheaper than non green services... more companies will use them.
If we make it cost effective for all companies to do these things.... that will make a HUGE difference. Imagine... every company in the US (not even including the rest of the world) going totally green because it's more cost effective. Recycling everything that can be recycled, even more earth friendly disposable cups.... or having a compost maybe.... instead of using styrofoam cups because they are more cost effective.... There are so many little things that could be somehow made more cost effective that could make a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.... let alone the big changes in every company that could help. They need to find a way to make companies WANT to use these greener products rather than enforcing eco friendly regulations that cost them a fortune and therefore make them want to do only the minimum required.
Now... I don't know HOW we can do that but the green market is a money making market too.... so somehow they need to be more cost effective.
no need to. if they're laughing...then so be it. guess I'm supposed to feel so sympathetic cause they're single parents. well, I don't. single parent...two parents.....if you don't want to hear it, then you don't. yeah..so, don't bother. nothing better than the excuse of being a 'single' parent. not gonna fight that one. goodness...can't find the time..can't feed good food (wait...what is that child support for???)....don't ask THEM to be responsible. they're some kind of 'special' group.
Well, if you look at the costs, it does make sense. It's a lot cheaper in our world to eat high-fat, refined carbohydrate, high calorie, nutrient deprived foods than it is to eat healthy stuff. Add that to the fact that we've become so acclimated to the taste of this stuff from our hectic, fast paced, fast food, grab it while you can and collapse in front of the TV lifestyles redolent of despair and it's really a wonder obesity isn't even more of an epidemic than it already is.
And then there's the comfort factor. When you're poor, cheap, high calorie food is one of the few comforts within reach.
And then there's the comfort factor. When you're poor, cheap, high calorie food is one of the few comforts within reach.
agreed^^
I know plenty of people from single parent families...course the parent has to work harder, has more responsibilities, etc, but they all get by with no problem.
plus, i just have to wonder...if they don't have the time, then what on earth are they doing on an online forum?
I can tell you this...the most efficient people I know are those who rarely touch a computer for anything other than work. (and no, I am not an efficient person, hence the reason I am wasting time on here rather than studying, lol)
I know plenty of people from single parent families...course the parent has to work harder, has more responsibilities, etc, but they all get by with no problem.
plus, i just have to wonder...if they don't have the time, then what on earth are they doing on an online forum?
I can tell you this...the most efficient people I know are those who rarely touch a computer for anything other than work. (and no, I am not an efficient person, hence the reason I am wasting time on here rather than studying, lol)
The real "bummer" would be if they were to quit a job to have weekends off, and then get evicted from their place of residence. If you're poor and have to work multiple jobs for SURVIVAL, you can't pick and choose your schedule! I don't know what world you're living in. I'm not even poor, and I'm aware of the vast amount of poverty in this country!
And you mentioned child support, like it's a guaranteed thing. MOST single parents receive no child support- if the other parent doesn't have a job, they DON'T pay child support. Not to mention, a couple of hundred dollars a month doesn't go too far even if you're lucky to get that much.
And you mentioned child support, like it's a guaranteed thing. MOST single parents receive no child support- if the other parent doesn't have a job, they DON'T pay child support. Not to mention, a couple of hundred dollars a month doesn't go too far even if you're lucky to get that much.
Let me guess. You would ask a stay at home mom if she's "just" a mom or if she "works" too? "Work" does not just consist of what you get paid for outside of the home.
The problems that plague low-income families go deep - that's why it's called SOCIOeconomic status, after all.
It's not impossible, no, but you are kind of making a big joke out of the very real difficulties these families face day-to-day...
The problems that plague low-income families go deep - that's why it's called SOCIOeconomic status, after all.
It's not impossible, no, but you are kind of making a big joke out of the very real difficulties these families face day-to-day...
Yeah, you just tear people apart so badly they want to when you're done with them.
Puck: Dude...that was harsh. Owies. Much love brother but ... wow. Coming from someone with depression issues, that would have just about done me in on the wrong day a few years ago. Sorry is sorry though guys. Smkie, I met this dude, he really isn't such a jerk in real life
The article sort of rubbed me the wrong way, but for this reason: The lady is all about reducing her "carbon foot print" but is flying to Africa?
Just sayin'.
Oh, and Tim's family had a 1/2 acre garden the whole time he was growing up, his mom canned and froze everything and they had a "root cellar" and it kept all 6 of them fed when they were beyond poor. As in could barely feed and clothe themselves. And they ate WELL. so it can be done.
I think there is too much debate going on. Of course we're destroying our planet. Duh. Are you typing on a plastic computer? I am. Hello, chemicals and non-biodegradable abound people. We're all doing it. We've got to be safer about it, better about it now that we know. We used to not have any idea. It was like the eagles and DDT. They were all dying off, and we didn't know why. Then we figured it out and stopped using DDT and now we have eagles back. We can fix this. I was just reading about this cool machine that can basically turn any trash into usable fuel . (it burns it up and makes some type of gas...I dunno...pop sci magazine a few months ago did an article) There are eco friendly cars, eco friendly houses...we just need to make it accessible. I totally agree with what someone said earlier about "if you're wearing flak jackets to school you're not worried about eating organic" or something like that. This type of thing is a privilage. I love Whole foods stores, but they are EXPENSIVE and I am mostly broke so good ol' walmart is my grocery store of choice most of the time. *shrugs* Tis a quandary.
If this lady, or any lady doesn't want a baby, cool. good for her, and the potential baby. If she has an abortion, well, then I'm gonna get testy, if for no other reason, she just created more bio medical waste. (No, really, that's not why I'd be angry, but just saying) The way I see it, sooner or later we're all going to meet our maker and if it's sooner, yipee!
Puck: Dude...that was harsh. Owies. Much love brother but ... wow. Coming from someone with depression issues, that would have just about done me in on the wrong day a few years ago. Sorry is sorry though guys. Smkie, I met this dude, he really isn't such a jerk in real life
The article sort of rubbed me the wrong way, but for this reason: The lady is all about reducing her "carbon foot print" but is flying to Africa?
Just sayin'.
Oh, and Tim's family had a 1/2 acre garden the whole time he was growing up, his mom canned and froze everything and they had a "root cellar" and it kept all 6 of them fed when they were beyond poor. As in could barely feed and clothe themselves. And they ate WELL. so it can be done.
I think there is too much debate going on. Of course we're destroying our planet. Duh. Are you typing on a plastic computer? I am. Hello, chemicals and non-biodegradable abound people. We're all doing it. We've got to be safer about it, better about it now that we know. We used to not have any idea. It was like the eagles and DDT. They were all dying off, and we didn't know why. Then we figured it out and stopped using DDT and now we have eagles back. We can fix this. I was just reading about this cool machine that can basically turn any trash into usable fuel . (it burns it up and makes some type of gas...I dunno...pop sci magazine a few months ago did an article) There are eco friendly cars, eco friendly houses...we just need to make it accessible. I totally agree with what someone said earlier about "if you're wearing flak jackets to school you're not worried about eating organic" or something like that. This type of thing is a privilage. I love Whole foods stores, but they are EXPENSIVE and I am mostly broke so good ol' walmart is my grocery store of choice most of the time. *shrugs* Tis a quandary.
If this lady, or any lady doesn't want a baby, cool. good for her, and the potential baby. If she has an abortion, well, then I'm gonna get testy, if for no other reason, she just created more bio medical waste. (No, really, that's not why I'd be angry, but just saying) The way I see it, sooner or later we're all going to meet our maker and if it's sooner, yipee!
So we should let the human race die out - to save the planet. Sure we're killing out planet, but IMO not reproducing is not the answer. Maybe we should limit every family to one child now? Maybe that would help our world. OK, so I admit it would help a lot, but do you really think that people will only have child to help save the planet if they can't even turn off their TV or their computer during the day to save power?
Fact is, it WOULD help. Lets all drive huge cars, leave as many electrical objects turned on as possible, let factories add CO2 to the air with no restrictions no filters. Lets spray our weeds with chemicals because we want a greener lawn - WHO CARES! Because the generations after us won't have to deal with it because apparently we should all stop reproducing.
A child - raised correctly prob. creates less envirnmental problems than some foods that are pumped up with chemicals. FOr example; If a farmer sprays his fields with chemicals lets say once a month and those chemicals stay in the earth of his fields and he does this for years on end - it will harm the envirrnment more than a child or many children.
Oh, and you don't have to clean your diapers with chemicals There ARE detergants out there without chemicals. You just have to USE them.
What REALLY irks me though is that the same people who are activ in politics who come up with plans for a better planet fly around the earth and back again on a weekly basis, drive huge cars and support gene modified foods. Does that make sence to you? Because it doesn't to me.
OK, so I admit it would help a lot, but do you really think that people will only have child to help save the planet if they can't even turn off their TV or their computer during the day to save power? Fact is, it WOULD help. Lets all drive huge cars, leave as many electrical objects turned on as possible, let factories add CO2 to the air with no restrictions no filters. Lets spray our weeds with chemicals because we want a greener lawn - WHO CARES! Because the generations after us won't have to deal with it because apparently we should all stop reproducing.
A child - raised correctly prob. creates less envirnmental problems than some foods that are pumped up with chemicals. FOr example; If a farmer sprays his fields with chemicals lets say once a month and those chemicals stay in the earth of his fields and he does this for years on end - it will harm the envirrnment more than a child or many children.
Oh, and you don't have to clean your diapers with chemicals
There ARE detergants out there without chemicals. You just have to USE them.What REALLY irks me though is that the same people who are activ in politics who come up with plans for a better planet fly around the earth and back again on a weekly basis, drive huge cars and support gene modified foods. Does that make sence to you? Because it doesn't to me.
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i'm not saying computers should be pitched. I think they are incredibly useful tools.
And sorry, i didnt really realize that people could be on forums at work. I associate work with work. Every place I've worked (granted it hasnt been many cause I am a student), you either were not allowed to go on the internet, or I was too busy actually *working* to screw around.
Now I am not saying a break here and there is bad, but I mean, maybe they should be spending their time better if it is so crunched for them...
And sorry, i didnt really realize that people could be on forums at work. I associate work with work. Every place I've worked (granted it hasnt been many cause I am a student), you either were not allowed to go on the internet, or I was too busy actually *working* to screw around.
Now I am not saying a break here and there is bad, but I mean, maybe they should be spending their time better if it is so crunched for them...
Hm, I just heard something interesting on the radio:
(I'll translate ):
Lights out Germany!
December 8th is global climate day. All of Germany is being asked to turn off its lights on December 8th, 2007 at 20:00 for 5 minutes. Major attractions like 'Schloss Neuschwannstein', 'Heidelberger Schloss', 'Schloss Frankenstein', 'Der Koelner Dom' and 'Die Zeil (A Major shopping street near me) in Frankfurt' are participating. Privat house holds are being asked to do the same. We are hoping to send a message to the climate conference in Bali.
(I'll translate
):Lights out Germany!
December 8th is global climate day. All of Germany is being asked to turn off its lights on December 8th, 2007 at 20:00 for 5 minutes. Major attractions like 'Schloss Neuschwannstein', 'Heidelberger Schloss', 'Schloss Frankenstein', 'Der Koelner Dom' and 'Die Zeil (A Major shopping street near me) in Frankfurt' are participating. Privat house holds are being asked to do the same. We are hoping to send a message to the climate conference in Bali.
What's really sad is when I was working in law offices, I never, and I do mean NEVER, spent any time on the internet that wasn't work related. I didn't spend time on personal phone calls for more than a few minutes, and then, rarely if it wasn't something absolutely necessary.
And the saddest part? It wasn't appreciated one bit.
And the saddest part? It wasn't appreciated one bit.