http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495&in_page_id=1879
It is sad that this does not surprise me one bit.
Discuss...
It is sad that this does not surprise me one bit.
Discuss...
Save the Earth... Sterilise yourself
- Thread starter Puckstop31
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Yeah... But this line is what pisses me off.
"I found it insulting that she thought that, just because I was a woman, I'd reach a point where an urge to breed would overcome all rational thought."
So having children is an irrational thought? I personally think that having a child is the most selfless thing a person can do.
Even better...
"I've never doubted that I made the right decision. Ed and I married in September 2002, and have a much nicer lifestyle as a result of not having children."
Having children is selfish, yet this tells me she is not having children because SHE is selfish....
Dollars to doughnuts, when she is old and alone, she will regret not having children and grandchildren.
"I found it insulting that she thought that, just because I was a woman, I'd reach a point where an urge to breed would overcome all rational thought."
So having children is an irrational thought? I personally think that having a child is the most selfless thing a person can do.
Even better...
"I've never doubted that I made the right decision. Ed and I married in September 2002, and have a much nicer lifestyle as a result of not having children."
Having children is selfish, yet this tells me she is not having children because SHE is selfish....
Dollars to doughnuts, when she is old and alone, she will regret not having children and grandchildren.
Well... I agree, it is a little odd that she got media coverage for it. I mean, sure, we have an overpopulation on earth and it is causing environmental problems if you look at it that way. But who really cares what her reason for sterilizing herself is? If she doesn't want children, she doesn't want children, for whatever reason.
No - I totally agree with her.
She was insulted that the Dr would presume that SHE wasn't being rational.
I really don't have a problem with the article, and I am about as broody as broody gets. Always wanted sproglets.
Why take offense that she doesn't want kids?
Didn't we just have this discussion the other week? hahaha.
She was insulted that the Dr would presume that SHE wasn't being rational.
I really don't have a problem with the article, and I am about as broody as broody gets. Always wanted sproglets.
Why take offense that she doesn't want kids?
Didn't we just have this discussion the other week? hahaha.
Puck, I don't think she was trying to say that having children is irrational---at least not in this particular quote. 
I think she's saying that she her own reasons for not having children, but people seemed to take it for granted that just because she's female, she'd suddenly have an overwhelming biological urge to have a child and let her reasoning fly out the window. And I agree with her, it is insulting.
I certainly don't think that giving birth is the end of the world. But if that's what makes her happy. *shrug*
I think she's saying that she her own reasons for not having children, but people seemed to take it for granted that just because she's female, she'd suddenly have an overwhelming biological urge to have a child and let her reasoning fly out the window. And I agree with her, it is insulting.I certainly don't think that giving birth is the end of the world. But if that's what makes her happy. *shrug*
I think what she means is that just because you are married or you get older as a woman you don't have to have children. I can see where she is coming from. We have been married a little over two years and it seems that everyone from my inlaws is expecting that Dan will knock me up any minute. Some women never want children, so what? And if you hold that stance you'd be surprised how many raised eyebrows you get. And, quite frankly, I get shudders when I see how many girls have babies they just should not have because they are in no way to provide for a child- and I am not only talking about financial issues.
Of course she'll be able to live a "nicer" lifestyle without children. It just irks me that people call me selfish because I can appreciate a nice TV or being able to have pets instead of having popped out 5 kids by the time I turn 23. I am not selfish, I just have different priorities- at least for now. And quite frankly, I am not sure whether I ever want to have kids or not. And I don't know if I will regret it later... I am sorry, but that's kinda cheesy. How many senior citizens are rotting away in retirement homes who get a visit or two from their family a year? Having kids is no guarantee that you will be cared for until the day you drop dead.
Of course she'll be able to live a "nicer" lifestyle without children. It just irks me that people call me selfish because I can appreciate a nice TV or being able to have pets instead of having popped out 5 kids by the time I turn 23. I am not selfish, I just have different priorities- at least for now. And quite frankly, I am not sure whether I ever want to have kids or not. And I don't know if I will regret it later... I am sorry, but that's kinda cheesy. How many senior citizens are rotting away in retirement homes who get a visit or two from their family a year? Having kids is no guarantee that you will be cared for until the day you drop dead.
I don't care that she does not want children. That is her choice. Its a step more though to imply that having children is morally wrong.
I mean, isn't that what the enviromentalist movement is about? Are we not trying to save the planet for the NEXT generations?
Still, less liberal enviro-nazis in the world can't hurt.
I mean, isn't that what the enviromentalist movement is about? Are we not trying to save the planet for the NEXT generations?
Still, less liberal enviro-nazis in the world can't hurt.
I don't disagree that having kids is selfish.
I certainly did not have kids to "give them to the world"...lol. We had them because we wanted them...myself and my DH.
The concept of child bearing as a selfish act has never bothered me because in all of Nature...of which I am part...that is exactly what it is. It is about "you" and your genetic material, and your life experiences,...being passed along.
I do think expectations of women in regards to children are unfair...and it's a double standard because men do not have to face the same scrutiny.
I certainly did not have kids to "give them to the world"...lol. We had them because we wanted them...myself and my DH.
The concept of child bearing as a selfish act has never bothered me because in all of Nature...of which I am part...that is exactly what it is. It is about "you" and your genetic material, and your life experiences,...being passed along.
I do think expectations of women in regards to children are unfair...and it's a double standard because men do not have to face the same scrutiny.
I don't care that she does not want children. That is her choice. Its a step more though to imply that having children is morally wrong.
I mean, isn't that what the enviromentalist movement is about? Are we not trying to save the planet for the NEXT generations?
Still, less liberal enviro-nazis in the world can't hurt.
I mean, isn't that what the enviromentalist movement is about? Are we not trying to save the planet for the NEXT generations?
Still, less liberal enviro-nazis in the world can't hurt.
I quite clearly saw HER OWN take on it, but perhaps I misread it, because I didn't see anywhere where she said we must all comply.
Interesting read. And I agree, why are we still utterly convinced that's against nature for a woman not to want children? Why is it still ok for guys to want to remain childless but not women? Not all women have that "brood bitch" gene/mindset in them (please don't take that as an insult, it's not meant to be) and that's ok.
I'm still on the fence about whether or not I want children...but if and when I do, I know that I will be doing my utmost to be raising them in an environmentally sound way...i.e. cloth diapers instead of disposable (do you know these essentially never disintigrate and make up an astounding portion of landfills?) breast feeding until they can eat solid foods so there is no packaging from formula canisters, liners, etc. to throw away....making my own baby foods with a food processor instead of buying cans/jars.
And I agree with (I think it was) Jules who said that just because you have children doesn't guarantee you will live out your dotage surrounded by love and comfort. Why do you think so many nursing homes are such miserable places? It's like shelters for old people...they get the minimum care required by law, but are left alone for the majority of the time with no family coming to see them, even though they may live just a few miles away. Of course there are many facilities and families to prove this statement wrong, which is why it is an observation and not stated fact that all nursing homes suck.
Unfortunetly, those people who could raise a generation to be eco-friendly/conscious are choosing not to for reasons like the ones stated in the article. This quote by AFI's front man Davey Havok sums it up pretty well I think:
I'm still on the fence about whether or not I want children...but if and when I do, I know that I will be doing my utmost to be raising them in an environmentally sound way...i.e. cloth diapers instead of disposable (do you know these essentially never disintigrate and make up an astounding portion of landfills?) breast feeding until they can eat solid foods so there is no packaging from formula canisters, liners, etc. to throw away....making my own baby foods with a food processor instead of buying cans/jars.
And I agree with (I think it was) Jules who said that just because you have children doesn't guarantee you will live out your dotage surrounded by love and comfort. Why do you think so many nursing homes are such miserable places? It's like shelters for old people...they get the minimum care required by law, but are left alone for the majority of the time with no family coming to see them, even though they may live just a few miles away. Of course there are many facilities and families to prove this statement wrong, which is why it is an observation and not stated fact that all nursing homes suck.
Unfortunetly, those people who could raise a generation to be eco-friendly/conscious are choosing not to for reasons like the ones stated in the article. This quote by AFI's front man Davey Havok sums it up pretty well I think:
I guess it depends on what your morals actually are but I find it a little contradicting that she killed an innocent child because her morals tell her it hurts the planet.... AHH yes.... so take away a childs life... and that is OK morally?
I know the point of this wasn't to debate abortion but if she was really THAT concerned about having kids... she should have been a little more careful. If she didn't want kids that bad then she should have abstained from sex until she was sterilised. IMO, there is NO excuse.... she was being selfish by having sex knowing she could possibly get pregnant when she knew before hand what she would do if she were to ever experience that "horror" and now she has taken away a childs life because she couldn't practice proper birth control....
I know the point of this wasn't to debate abortion but if she was really THAT concerned about having kids... she should have been a little more careful. If she didn't want kids that bad then she should have abstained from sex until she was sterilised. IMO, there is NO excuse.... she was being selfish by having sex knowing she could possibly get pregnant when she knew before hand what she would do if she were to ever experience that "horror"
and now she has taken away a childs life because she couldn't practice proper birth control....