Rice vs potatoes
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Rice is a grain and some dogs are sensitive to grain (like my Ben). Also, potato allows the food to have a much higher meat content because it can produce a kibble with a somewhat lower percentage of the potato.
Not all grain frees use potato (ie, white potato). Some use sweet potato, which is in fact unrelated to the potato, and Nature's Variety uses tapioca, which is made from another starchy root called cassava or manioc.
Sweet potato has many nutritional advantages over white rice, and white potatoes also. I'm not aware of whether tapioca has any particular specific unique qualities apart from being a carb source my highly sensitive dog can eat - but that's pretty good in itself! (;
Not all grain frees use potato (ie, white potato). Some use sweet potato, which is in fact unrelated to the potato, and Nature's Variety uses tapioca, which is made from another starchy root called cassava or manioc.
Sweet potato has many nutritional advantages over white rice, and white potatoes also. I'm not aware of whether tapioca has any particular specific unique qualities apart from being a carb source my highly sensitive dog can eat - but that's pretty good in itself! (;
Less fiber. My guess is that fiber increases exposure of the proteins to the gi and facilitates the opportunity for reactions.
I'm inclined to say, however, that this isn't a huge problem for most dogs. I think the biggest advance in most grain frees is the increased percentage of protein that comes from meat/animal sources. They are also much more energy dense, which is great for little dogs and picky eaters.
And, of course, they are an OTC option for dogs with allergies.
I'm inclined to say, however, that this isn't a huge problem for most dogs. I think the biggest advance in most grain frees is the increased percentage of protein that comes from meat/animal sources. They are also much more energy dense, which is great for little dogs and picky eaters.
And, of course, they are an OTC option for dogs with allergies.
I agree. IMO white rice is a far superior ingredient in comparison to potatoes for the dogs carnivore body. White rice is considered by many a non-allergy causing grain because the gluten fibrous hull had been removed. In regards to people, it is considered safe for those avoiding gluten in the diet. Being allergic to white rice; mind as well be allergic to outside air. Potatoes are also considered generally safe in regards to gluten, however do fall into a category of foods containing neruotoxins (saponins) with wide range metabolic effects. The can be potentially dangerous when taken in low levels over time in the carnivore body. Saponins under testing have caused bloat in every animal tested including dogs and cats and are risky. They are best avoided. They can suppress the vomiting reflex and paralyze the digest tract and can cause gasses to be trapped. They can cause lesions in the body in the digestive tract, heart, brain, uterus and stomach. Any ingredient containing saponins
can have ill effects in dogs and again are best avoided.
Grain-free diets IMO are gimmick and marketing strategy. There is nothing dangerous about low amounts of carbs for carnivores (assuming the carb content can be kept low, less than 23% of the ration). Avoiding carbs entirely can lead to problems. They can help pregnant bitches regulate sugar for example. Nobel idea, but eliminating grain and simply replacing that with veg fiber, plant fiber, fruits, etc is equally as dangerous as the high carb grain diets.
White Rice is the better and safer ingredient IMO.
Charlie
can have ill effects in dogs and again are best avoided.
Grain-free diets IMO are gimmick and marketing strategy. There is nothing dangerous about low amounts of carbs for carnivores (assuming the carb content can be kept low, less than 23% of the ration). Avoiding carbs entirely can lead to problems. They can help pregnant bitches regulate sugar for example. Nobel idea, but eliminating grain and simply replacing that with veg fiber, plant fiber, fruits, etc is equally as dangerous as the high carb grain diets.
White Rice is the better and safer ingredient IMO.
Charlie
Oh, I get it now! 30 years of manufacturing raw feeds, 20 years of granular type feeds, doing your own testing with a biochemistry degree (the study of chemical processes in living organisms) is called moonlighting with a lab coat.
Yet, the canine nutritionist who went to school where that department most likely received funding from Mr. Purina, Iams, and Hills, along with some grant money to help students along the way, and supply the info and reference materials...that is the real deal when it comes to independent research. I see your point.
I know of Mordy and her website. She seems like a wonderful person and very much respected. She has a fantastic website. I am also well aware Robert Abady has no desire to supply her with a current ingredient list of his products for her website. I am also aware of Mordy's opinion on ingredients such by-product meals, which are used in many of the formulas. Mordy, IMO I don't think would ever consider saying anything positive in regards to Robert Abady's approach to nutrition nor his research and would be negative in those respects. No offense to those who value her opinion, but I for one could care less about what Mordy has to say on the subject of Abady research. I would pass it off as being strictly her opinion, nothing more.
I also know of Dogtor J. I like his write up on Cottage Cheese and think it is right on the money. He has a very nice disclaimer on his web page. He is not to the best of my knowledge neither a doctor or vet. He obviously has done his homework. I would agree with a lot that he states and at the same time have some disagreements. There is a link on his website to a nice write up on dogs being carnivores. Take a peek at his list of quality foods for dogs and you will find all the wholesome omnivore style veggies and fruits ingredients for your carnivore to enjoy. Again, same thing in regards to what the opinion would be...in one ear and out the other.
Yet, the canine nutritionist who went to school where that department most likely received funding from Mr. Purina, Iams, and Hills, along with some grant money to help students along the way, and supply the info and reference materials...that is the real deal when it comes to independent research. I see your point.
I know of Mordy and her website. She seems like a wonderful person and very much respected. She has a fantastic website. I am also well aware Robert Abady has no desire to supply her with a current ingredient list of his products for her website. I am also aware of Mordy's opinion on ingredients such by-product meals, which are used in many of the formulas. Mordy, IMO I don't think would ever consider saying anything positive in regards to Robert Abady's approach to nutrition nor his research and would be negative in those respects. No offense to those who value her opinion, but I for one could care less about what Mordy has to say on the subject of Abady research. I would pass it off as being strictly her opinion, nothing more.
I also know of Dogtor J. I like his write up on Cottage Cheese and think it is right on the money. He has a very nice disclaimer on his web page. He is not to the best of my knowledge neither a doctor or vet. He obviously has done his homework. I would agree with a lot that he states and at the same time have some disagreements. There is a link on his website to a nice write up on dogs being carnivores. Take a peek at his list of quality foods for dogs and you will find all the wholesome omnivore style veggies and fruits ingredients for your carnivore to enjoy. Again, same thing in regards to what the opinion would be...in one ear and out the other.