responsible breeding?

[Saje]

I think it depends on the breed in some cases. Scarlette, as we all know, breeds huskies but she breeds them for work, temperment, health... and doesn't believe in the breed standards because they are meant for 'show quality' dogs which sometimes means little more than looking pretty.

Having spoken for her I better get her attention on this thread incase I'm wrong.

 

[Zoom]

But the standard had to start somewhere didn't it? I know that racing dogs come in all sorts of colors and patterns that would never make it in the show ring, and they are usually lankier (though that could just be the racing), but the general idea for the Husky show dog had to come from the original working stock, right?

 

[amymarley]

Again, I rescued at least 4 huskies (pure) from the humane society.... there is a lot you out there (breeders). They are so great and beautiful...but just for the moment.... do we need more? This is an actul question. We have GREAT breeders, then other breeders, Husky res. org., humane societies, ASPCA's, and others. IF the breed starts to deplete, then maybe we need more so we don't extinct the breed. But for now and others, there are others in such a great need... after all, the most I heard is that there is no money to be made. So, why don't we all sit back, get the other dogs homes, and when necessary, breed your dog again.

 

[RD]

Again, I rescued at least 4 huskies (pure) from the humane society.... there is a lot you out there (breeders). They are so great and beautiful...but just for the moment.... do we need more? This is an actul question. We have GREAT breeders, then other breeders, Husky res. org., humane societies, ASPCA's, and others. IF the breed starts to deplete, then maybe we need more so we don't extinct the breed. But for now and others, there are others in such a great need... after all, the most I heard is that there is no money to be made. So, why don't we all sit back, get the other dogs homes, and when necessary, breed your dog again.

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Why don't you keep the anti-breeding preaching to your own thread?

 

[Love4Pits]

I stick to the standard of working dogs. My sibes may not (actually I know they won't) fit CKC or AKC standards at all because I am not breeding for those qualities some of those qualities yes but not all of them. I am sticking to speed, strength, and smarts not so worried about how perfect their proportions are though.

With my Chinooks there is no set standard hence some with upright and some with flop ears. Some are bigger then others and bulkier then others this is not because I try for it you just end up with a mixed litter really. So all doors are open with that breed of dog it is still mainly veiwed as a working breed. That is why I hope they are never recognized by the CKC or AKC it is the sort of breed that would'nt do well with standards. Chinooks are known to be difficult and sometimes viciouse (if not socialized right they can have major problems with other dogs) their just not born to be judged in a ring.

 

[Love4Pits]

Again, I rescued at least 4 huskies (pure) from the humane society.... there is a lot you out there (breeders). They are so great and beautiful...but just for the moment.... do we need more? This is an actul question. We have GREAT breeders, then other breeders, Husky res. org., humane societies, ASPCA's, and others. IF the breed starts to deplete, then maybe we need more so we don't extinct the breed. But for now and others, there are others in such a great need... after all, the most I heard is that there is no money to be made. So, why don't we all sit back, get the other dogs homes, and when necessary, breed your dog again.

Please don't judge me you don't even know me or how I breed.

 

[amymarley]

sorry RD....
Thought it was a free forum.

 

[Love4Pits]

sorry RD....
Thought it was a free forum.

still you need to stay on topic and not go off on your own rant which is pointless.

 

[RD]

sorry RD....
Thought it was a free forum.

Oh, yes, I forgot. You're free to be rude by making completely off-topic posts that you -know- will offend the responsible breeders who bust their butts to make their breed the best it can possibly be. (In a thread that you did not create, at that!)

Since it's a free forum as you say, I have the right to "suggest" that you stop pushing your agenda randomly in threads that are referring to an entirely different topic. We -all- know you are involved in rescue. Guess what? I am, too. But I am open-minded enough to realize that responsible breeders are NOT the reason that people are having to rescue so many dogs.

 

[fillyone]

...*Snip*... I am breedign for working dogs so I am looking for dogs who can reliably work, otherwise it is not a good choice to breed with and should be spayed or neutered.

You're breeding now?

 

[yuckaduck]

You're breeding now?

Starting in the spring time. Still have a few course I wish to take first to learn more things.

Why are you going through all my old posts? Sounds familiar to global paws!!!

 

[fillyone]

I agree to a certain point. When I got my 1st golden in 1949 the standard was different than today's in height and weight. When I started breeding I was in the middle standard ... when I stopped, I was at the high end. None of my Goldens were over the standard, but the show breeds were going shorter legs, lighter in color etc. I went by what the original standard was. Ch.Lorelei's Golden Rip ( my Point's sire) was a great big, dark boy and one of the first to be in the Golden Retriever Hall of fame in both bench , obedience and field work. Today he wouldn't even be recognized I bet.

I was out with my GSD recently and was stopped by a gentleman that asked if he could say hello to my dog.
Dante is aloof but completely friendly so I said yes (Working on that sit for stranger petting you know!!).
He petted Dante for a bit and then said "I haven't seen a Shepherd like him since I left Germany, what line is he?"
I replied that he was German Showline/DDR/Czech. He smiled broadly and thanked me.

The American's have completely changed the way that line of GSDs look.

 

[fillyone]

Starting in the spring time. Still have a few course I wish to take first to learn more things.

Why are you going through all my old posts? Sounds familiar to global paws!!!

Don't know what global paws is, but I'm not going through your old posts.

 

[bubbatd]

I agree Filly !! I love the old looks !

 

[rottiegirl]

Pit bulls that are bred to the standard are supposed to have a high drive and completely capable of working. The breeder that I talked to, is just a fad breeder. She breeds huge pit bulls, because she thinks that is what people want. That is the only reason why she ignores the standard. She is watering down the breed.

 

[amymarley]

Again, without starting a war, I posted above....there ARE great breeders out there. So, if you are not a "bad" breeder or mill, it does not pertain to you. Also, in several posts, I did state that I don't want to see any breed depleted, so it would be up to you GOOD breeders out there to keep the strong lines out there. I understand that. On one of the same posts I also stated my passion.... saving the unwanted ones. I asked in that post if some of you could be understanding and see my point of view, since I had/have to deal with "left overs." Yes, I did get me a bit hardened, but what can you expect. Again, I asked for understanding from my point of view. Some replied that they did get what I was saying.
We (the world) have an over population of unwanted mutts and purebreds out there...that's a fact. I also know that good breeders want to keep a certain line out there, I respect that too.

So, I don't know (RD) why you condem me for stating my views, or should I say, you are allowed to condem them, but telling me to stop stating my opinion, is a whole different game.

Again, I thought this was a free forum. You should be able to preach on the roof tops about your breeding, but I should be able to have my say also, and not be told to stop. Again, if you read my above post, I did say there were good breeders out there, so there is no reason to fight with you. I was just sharing my experience with you... How anyone could give up a husky is beyond me, they are just so beautiful...well, I guess I could say that about all dogs....

 

[Mordy]

Again, I thought this was a free forum.

this forum is privately owned and operated, so ultimately it's up to the owner to say what is acceptable and what isn't.

just a reminder, posting here isn't a right, it's a privilege granted by the owner who pays the upkeep for this site.

 

[amymarley]

(Hit a button and lost my post...so here goes again).....

I understand that this forum is a privilage and can be taken away. That is not a problem, I respect that.

As for my above post, it was clearly meant to mend fences...(which is why I said I didn't want to start a war, and/or fight). Actually, I was agreeing with most, just stated my experiences. If I can learn different from an educated, good breeder, than I am all ears. AGAIN, I believe there are a lot of good breeders out there and I don't want to see breeds disappear.

As for being a "free forum," I was speaking of others who posted and stated their opinion which was o.k., until someone else disagreed. We should all agree to disagree, there is no harm in that, esp. if we learn something from it and make it a learning experience.

The thing I hate (like above) is when I try to be nice, and/or agree or even compromise, some people may take that as a weakness and ride with it. The above comment had nothing (really) to do with my above post. I was trying to get RD's point of view, which I did and understand a little better. I have no war with her. I never called her a bad breeder, and wouldn't do so. I don't even know her...

So instead of trying to encourage knowledge, peace of this thread, and several views, I get the above. I don't understand, didn't I just say something in the last above post that would in any way make these threads productive?

 

[RD]

FYI, I am not a breeder, just a fancier. (Er. Fanatic.) I do plan on breeding in the future, however.

Animalbiz, if I recall correctly, I am not the one who barged into someone else's thread and posted something offensive and off-topic in it. I am not the instigator of these arguments, you are. You go into a thread about responsible breeding and bash breeders, and then act like I am the one picking the fight when I defend the breeders who deserve credit as GOOD people who help to -improve- breeds.
As for me telling you to stop stating your opinion, I never implied that you did not have the right to. I merely suggested that you not make offensive and off-topic posts in threads that aren't yours. That's one of the main "unwritten rules" of forum etiquette. It was my intention to simply point that out, not to say that you have no right to your opinion.

Of course I understand why you think the way you do, and I understand your passion for helping unwanted animals. It's a GREAT thing that you do. However, I also think that it is a marvelous thing that responsible breeders do, and I can't stand them being bashed out of ignorance. I know, you weren't bashing the responsible breeders directly, but in bashing breeding in general, you are including the responsible breeders. That's where my whole problem lies. It's not with you, but rather with your strong opposition of something you admit you don't know much about.

While I may not agree with your opinion, I respect it and your right to have it. I don't want to fight with you, I just thought that what you were saying was unfair and the fact that you posted it in this thread just irked me. I'm really not as mean as you think I am, just rather blunt and highly opinionated. You are the same way, from what I've read, so I think you could understand that.

/thread hijack (Sorry Rottiegirl!)

 

[amymarley]

If anything, I repect you more for that. I will agree that my posts are not always written out the way I intend in my mind, but if you will check a lot of my posts, I apologized for that over and over.

Again, I don't like it when I try to be nice, and apologize or try to re-state what I was originally trying to say, just to be slapped with a newspaper (used that before), I am very open in the way I speak and I never want to lose that, but I do realize that I can come off harsh.

I am not mean, I never thought you were...I am just speaking from MY experience.... again, have seen horrors. To be quite honest, the love of my life, my dog Chase, a boxer....is getting on in years. I had him neutered early because I think if I ever want another companion, I would, as always go to a shelter. In my heart of hearts, I would love to have a pup from him, a piece of him. I will be destroyed when he is gone. But, again, I will find another that needs help and almost at the point of getting put down. Yes, I love rescue, but hey, honestly....I would have loved to have a piece of him to live on. So don't think of me as heartless, I just do what I do (no one has to respect that) and you (all) do what you think it's right. I just don't believe that I needed the comment above, when I was pretty much speaking to you. Then again, I don't wan't any wars with Mordy either....
The breeders I bash, I don't know who they are, just picked up their left overs. NO I AM NOT saying they were any of you, but again, at least kinda understand where I come from. There can be 99% great breeders out there, but I will still bash the 1%.
Amy