Rant with pictures

[LauraLeigh]

I don't know.... so long as my dog stays on my property I should be able to let him/her out without having to watch them every second, imo.... keeping in mind I live in farm country and over 400 feet from the road, in town while I still feel the same way you have to protect YOUR dog as well... We had a Chi when we were first married (Our first dog..) that was out in our front yard for her morning pee while I was sitting on my front step having a morning coffee, and the neighbors (Who was also Hubs 1st Cousin) dog (Breed not important) came into our yard grabbed him and killed him before I could even get off the step...

My dog was loose, in MY yard and I was right there... I Held the owners of the other dog fully responsible... Their dog was known DA (Though we did not know but found out about other attacks later...), their dog came into MY yard and killed my dog.... The dog wound up killing a Pom as well (The owners mothers dog) I hate to admit it... but had my husband been able to get ahold of the dog that day the outcome may not have been good.... Chico was HIS baby and he has never recovered from it. I also know in my heart that the breed (Mix of 2 actually) was not responsible but honestly I just don't think I could ever own that mix of dog without thinking about that day....

ETA:

I am not saying I don't agree with breeding DA dogs, to be clear, because I have bred JRTs and ADORE Bully breeds... I just don't think dogs should have to be fenced in at all times on their own property unless THEY are DA, people chasers or wander off.... If that was true my neighbors BC would not be able to work their land! She is loose all day every day.

 

[Whisper]

It's absolutely ridiculous to say that the chi couldn't have been loose because people "don't let their chis run free."

I've seen several people let tiny little dogs run free. I stopped taking a certain road on my walks because I would always encounter the same dogs; a pomeranian and a chihuahua who run completely free with no supervision, and have tried to attack both of my leashed dogs.
This is a rural area, where there are javelina who will kill anything that gets near their babies, coyotes, mountain lions, hawks, vultures. . . A friend of my grandmother's watched her yorkie get killed by a hawk and taken to its nest before she even had time to move.
It's stupid to let the dogs out unsupervised with no regard for their safety. does that mean no one does it? No!

The fact is we don't know exact circumstances. If either dog was unleashed and off of their property, both owners are at fault, even though accidents do happen.

 

[Kela]

As long as you can have the last word you're happy right? Because that is what it seems like.

And you've got to resort to whatever measure you can to assume that the pit was innocent and chihuahua was to blame right? Are you forgetting about the irresponsible owners who dumped their dog back at the shelter?

Those are the ones you need to be angry about.

 

[Whisper]

Please point out who said, "The pit bull's owners are not at fault, she's innocent, and it was the chihuahua who was in the complete wrong," because if someone said that, I didn't see it.
We don't know whose property either dog was on. If either of the dogs' owners had their dog unattended or off leash away from their property, they are at fault. What people have been responding to is you saying that they must have had an issue with the fence, that the chihuahua could not have been let loose, which pretty much says you are putting the pit bull at fault for being loose, because it just couldn't have been the chihuahua, right?

 

[Kela]

Denial.

They knew. They just didn't care. You weren't there. They were my neighbors, not yours. It's hard to argue that they were simply ignorant when they left the Chi in the front yard with the gate wide open. Every day. I suppose it was my fault for moving in next door with my socially deviant breed and infecting them with my toxins. The shame part is that even though you don't agree with Chihuahuas supposedly -- or whatever your wording was in the other thread -- you're stauchly defending idiot owners to the extent of calling me a liar. I guess all of us DA breed owners are liars.



So you want my breed to die out so asshole other breed owners can continue to be irresponsible with their dogs with a clear conscience. Good job. You win this argument on the grounds that you've officially made it to where I have nothing more to say to you. (That's actually a lie. I have a lot to say, but I like this board and want to stick around.)

Call animal control. Fix the problem instead of exacerbating it. Since when were they your neighbors? I thought Sweet posted this thread about some shelter adoptee? See this is what some pit defenders don't understand. By pretending that everyone else is the problem and that every pit owner is just "doing the right thing", you turn others off to your cause.

 

[Squishy22]

I don't know.... so long as my dog stays on my property I should be able to let him/her out without having to watch them every second, imo.... keeping in mind I live in farm country and over 400 feet from the road, in town while I still feel the same way you have to protect YOUR dog as well... We had a Chi when we were first married (Our first dog..) that was out in our front yard for her morning pee while I was sitting on my front step having a morning coffee, and the neighbors (Who was also Hubs 1st Cousin) dog (Breed not important) came into our yard grabbed him and killed him before I could even get off the step...

My dog was loose, in MY yard and I was right there... I Held the owners of the other dog fully responsible... Their dog was known DA (Though we did not know but found out about other attacks later...), their dog came into MY yard and killed my dog.... The dog wound up killing a Pom as well (The owners mothers dog) I hate to admit it... but had my husband been able to get ahold of the dog that day the outcome may not have been good.... Chico was HIS baby and he has never recovered from it. I also know in my heart that the breed (Mix of 2 actually) was not responsible but honestly I just don't think I could ever own that mix of dog without thinking about that day....

ETA:

I am not saying I don't agree with breeding DA dogs, to be clear, because I have bred JRTs and ADORE Bully breeds... I just don't think dogs should have to be fenced in at all times on their own property unless THEY are DA, people chasers or wander off.... If that was true my neighbors BC would not be able to work their land! She is loose all day every day.

If your dog was on your property than it would be the other dogs owners fault. But at the same time you are taking a risk letting your dog out when there is no barrier. What if your chi decided to run out into the street one day and a car ran him over? I am also guilty of letting reggin out while we were going to the car to go for a ride. No leash on him. Its a risk you take everytime you do something like that and I think its better to be safe than sorry. I've done stupid things before.

You wouldnt believe how many times I took reggin out for a walk and people let their chihuahuas out loose in the front yard to go potty. As soon as they see reggin, they run right up to him on the sidewalk. If reggin was DA that could have ended very badly.

I've caught my fiance letting reggin out loose to put him on his tie out. I chewed him out really good that day. He grew up on a farm where it was normal to let the dogs run loose.

 

[ACooper]

But I don't think here is even an issue with a DA dog. The dog gets along fine with dogs here size- I think it is suspected that prey drive kicked in because of the size of the Chi.

Another example of what I mean. I have had some dogs that did just fine with one of my cats (he's a big boned one) and chased my other one because she's tiny (weighs 4,5 lbs).

Well, the chi running loose caused a chain reaction... so technically, the chi was the reason of this unfortunate event. But like we said- it can happen. A lot of times... and I think that is why you are getting this vibe- bad behavior from little dogs is more likely to be excused than bad behavior from larger dogs... and a lot of small breed owners think it is okay for their dog to run up to yours/run loose/snarl at people/etc because they are small.

DA might not have even been a factor in this case as you say Jules........I can absolutely agree with that.

I can even go one further and say it *might* not have even been a case of prey drive.........honestly.

It could have very well been a case of "self defense" and before anyone snickers or laughs over that mental image, let me tell you that if you have seen it, there is nothing funny about it.

Orson and myself were accosted by a toy poodle. The dog came flying off the front porch and never slowed down one bit. This little dog went for BLOOD! He wanted Orson's hide........and I am not kidding. Orson was young but still out weighed this little dog by at least 60 lbs or more.

What might have happened if I had not been there (with Orson on lead) to get that little dog away from him? Of course everyone would be looking at Orson as if he were the monster in the situation............and what is sad is that they STILL would have painted him the monster if he had hurt that little loose dog while HE was the one on lead.

Just sayin'

All of this is speculation..........I am willing to bet even the owners of both dogs don't know the whole of it and never will. But I can guarantee you it was a hard lesson IF one of them were just letting their dog run loose...........

 

[Whisper]

*facepalm*

 

[Labra]

Poor Pit? lol. A Pit Bull KILLS another dog, but it is 'poor Pit'. Wow. Oh, it HAS to be prey drive, right? That is right. A Chihuahua isn't a 'small animal' comparable to rodent or rabbit - it is a DOG!! yeah, it may be small, but it is a dog non the less. But still, the poor Chihuahua is to blame, right?

 

[Whisper]

Coop, I agree that little dogs can still cause harm and be just as aggressive as any larger breed. It's laughed at because they "can't do any damage." Tell that to my old rottweiler Harley who had a little pom cross jump on his ear and rip it, drawing blood.

 

[Squishy22]

DA might not have even been a factor in this case as you say Jules........I can absolutely agree with that.

I can even go one further and say it *might* not have even been a case of prey drive.........honestly.

It could have very well been a case of "self defense" and before anyone snickers or laughs over that mental image, let me tell you that if you have seen it, there is nothing funny about it.

Orson and myself were accosted by a toy poodle. The dog came flying off the front porch and never slowed down one bit. This little dog went for BLOOD! He wanted Orson's hide........and I am not kidding. Orson was young but still out weighed this little dog by at least 60 lbs or more.

What might have happened if I had not been there (with Orson on lead) to get that little dog away from him? Of course everyone would be looking at Orson as if he were the monster in the situation............and what is sad is that they STILL would have painted him the monster if he had hurt that little loose dog while HE was the one on lead.

Just sayin'

All of this is speculation..........I am willing to bet even the owners of both dogs don't know the whole of it and never will. But I can guarantee you it was a hard lesson IF one of them were just letting their dog run loose...........

EXACTLY!! I agree 100%. MANY THINGS COULD HAVE HAPPENED. In any case, the OWNER has failed their dog.

I dont know why some people keep ASSUMING what had happened when they werent even there! Kela....

 

[Squishy22]

Coop, I agree that little dogs can still cause harm and be just as aggressive as any larger breed. It's laughed at because they "can't do any damage." Tell that to my old rottweiler Harley who had a little pom cross jump on his ear and rip it, drawing blood.

A small rat terrier came after reggin on leash once. Snarling and barring teeth. You can bet reggin got ready to defend himself. He would be an idiot not to.

 

[Kela]

A torn ear simply isn't comparable to a dead dog. Had your rott been in the opposite situation, what would have happened to that pom?

 

[ACooper]

Poor Pit? lol. A Pit Bull KILLS another dog, but it is 'poor Pit'. Wow. Oh, it HAS to be prey drive, right? That is right. A Chihuahua isn't a 'small animal' comparable to rodent or rabbit - it is a DOG!! yeah, it may be small, but it is a dog non the less. But still, the poor Chihuahua is to blame, right?

It's not about "poor pit" labra...........The pittie lost it's home, but that is probably for the best.

It's about Chi's not being poor innocent little doggies

It's about WHY was the Chi loose and unsupervised as well

It's about ANY person who lets their dog run loose.........

It's about EACH of the owners taking their fair share of responsibility PERIOD

 

[Labra]

As for those that blame the owners of the Pit for putting it into rescue, can you honestly blame them? imagine trying to look your neighbour in the eye again, knowing that your dog had killed their dog? I couldn't.

also, there is NO comparison in the damage caused by a Chihuahua to that caused by a Pit Bull...none whatsoever.

 

[Kela]

It's not about "poor pit" labra...........The pittie lost it's home, but that is probably for the best.

It's about Chi's not being poor innocent little doggies

It's about WHY was the Chi loose and unsupervised as well

It's about ANY person who lets their dog run loose.........

It's about EACH of the owners taking their fair share of responsibility PERIOD

Yes it is. The "poor pit" is getting ANOTHER home. Why does THAT dog deserve another chance when theres another dog in the city somewhere thats going to be destroyed?

The chihuahua is dead. And nobody knows what the situation was regarding which dog was loose and which one wasnt, there is only speculation. Taking the word at face value of an irresponsible pet owner like the one in this story, is ridiculous.

 

[ACooper]

A torn ear simply isn't comparable to a dead dog. Had your rott been in the opposite situation, what would have happened to that pom?

If that Pom were ABLE to do more damage, I am SURE it would have..........


The old adage of "don't write checks that your @ss can't cash" comes to mind here

 

[Whisper]

Oh, okay. So because large dogs can cause more damage than small dogs they're more dangerous. I guess that means large dogs should be banned right. Hmm. My dog is 30 pounds. I guess I should give her up, because her jaws could cause more damage to a chi than a chi could do her.
Let's ban large dogs!
That makes sense, right?

Harley should be abbed, too. He's 100 pounds and he's never hamred another creature, human or animal. He let that dog bite him without even defending myself. But because of his size and breed he's dangerous because he's physically capable of harming a small dog? What utter bullshit.

 

[Squishy22]

Poor Pit? lol. A Pit Bull KILLS another dog, but it is 'poor Pit'. Wow. Oh, it HAS to be prey drive, right? That is right. A Chihuahua isn't a 'small animal' comparable to rodent or rabbit - it is a DOG!! yeah, it may be small, but it is a dog non the less. But still, the poor Chihuahua is to blame, right?

No, we are saying poor pit... and poor chihuahua here. You know NOTHING about dog behavior. WOW. YES, a small dog or cat is comparable to a rodent or rabit. Pray drive kicks in when a small mammal runs... any carnivore will chase. DOGS ARE NOT HUMAN. They dont stop and think, wait its a tiny dog that looks like a rat, so its unethical to after.

 

[Labra]

Who said Chihuhuas were 'innocent little doggies'? any animal with teeth can cause damage...but Chi's and Pit's in terms of bite power and the potential to be lethal is like comparing a mouse with a tiger.