puppy buyers beware

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I am new to this forum and I want to warn any of you who are considering purchasing a new puppy. Please research carefully any and all breeders that have the breed of pup you are seeking. I want to share my story with all of you:
Six months ago when I was looking to buy a Goldendoodle pup, I searched the Internet looking for a breeder. The first one I happened upon I contacted to see if they had any available pups. Most doodle breeders have a long waiting list and I didn't want to wait. After a couple of emails back and forth, this breeder asked me to go ahead and fill out the puppy application which I did. When she got back to me she told me I needed to read her purchasing policies, rules, regulations, etc. She also told me that the spay/neuter contract was THIRTY pages long!!! I thought she was joking but she wasn't. The deal breaker for me was the price and the hassles of getting a pup from her. Over four thousand dollars for a dog plus forty dollars to have the pup genetically tested by HER vet, plus if I wanted the puppy shipped, I had to arrange it myself. PLUS, on her web site it states that no one is allowed to tour the kennels nor see the sire and dam. :confused:
I'm not a rocket scientist but it doesn't take one to figure out this breeder was obviously hiding something and the fact that NO dog is worth four thousand dollars to me!!!
I contacted her and politely told her I was no longer interested, that I certainly didn't have that kind of money to buy a dog with. Well, ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you...I received the nastiest, most hate-filled, angry email you have ever seen in your life from this breeder. How DARE I change my mind!!! She went on and on about how she doesn't "make a dime from the sales of the dogs", blah, blah, blah. I didn't respond, in fact, I blocked her from emailing me again. I thought, man, if this is the way it's going to be dealing with breeders then NO THANKS!!
Well,the story gets better. This was six months ago when all this happened. Just last week I was browsing the Internet looking for some information on how to groom a Goldendoodle I finally purchased from a wonderful breeder in Colorado. The link took me to, you guessed it. To the crazy woman.
I scrolled down to about the middle of the page on one of her many, many sites and low and behold, there was a photo of MY OWN DOG in MY back yard!!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes!!! I almost fell out of my computer chair when I saw it. I got very upset and angry but after I calmed down I found her phone number on her site and called her. I told her to please remove that photo, and she began cursing me, using the 'F' word. I hung up the phone.
I then contacted the web site where she bought her domain name and reported her for copyright enfringement. They investigated my complaint and a couple of days later, my dog's photo was removed. It doesn't stop there.
I then received a threatening phone call from the breeder's husband. What is so stupid is the fact that I have Caller I.D. and how dumb for him to use his own phone!!! I reported this also. I haven't received any more calls but I saved his on my answering machine.
The breeder's web site is: http://www.doodleplanet.com
Her name is Diane Gerrish and her husband is Mike. If you find yourself really bored some day and have loads of time on your hands, read her puppy application. It goes on and on about how unhappy customers have reported her to the BBB because the puppies died from Parvo. I tell you this, I wouldn't buy anything from someone like this and I hope you all don't either.
I am all for alarming puppy buyers about bad breeders so I hope you will keep this in mind when you are shopping.
 
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Hi Doodle!!

So sorry to hear about the bad experiance, but glad to hear that you ended up getting your puppy from some one 100x better.

Welcome to Chaz, you'll love it here!
 

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Thank you for adding to the awareness of the Golden/Poodle breedings. We are very concerned here of the number of BYBs who are cashing in on " designer " dogs. I did notice that the breeders you got your pup from raise both Goldens and Poodles . I really hope you paid less than their pure breds. I love the looks of both the Golden and Lab/ Poodle crosses , but they are just sweet curs. Any bad traits from either breed can come through. Love your baby ... please call it a Golden/Poodle mix and do post pictures !! This is not my forum to moderate, so I hope you aren't bombarded with hateful posts. To others, what's done is done.... welcome this new member with helpful comments. You may want to change your forum name !!!! LOL!!!! Most of us here are very friendly , but doodle owner may be something you Don't need !!!
 

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I'm glad you eventually got a pup elsewhere, sounded like a nightmare of a story. However, I am not a fan of doodles and don't dislike anyone who buys them, I just don't like the breeders because most of them are BYB's out to just make a quick dollar. Years ago they were called mutts and could be found at shelters and now people purposely breed mutts and sell them for crazy amounts of money. I love mixed breeds and have owned many, but I would never fall for all this "designer dog" hype. The only thing that the crazy lady did right was have a spay/neuter contract on her pups which I am "very" surprised at. Oh well, hopefully the "hype" will die down soon and we can move away from all this doodle and puggle talk. They are mixing EVERYTHING with poodles these days and they can start to be found at your local animal shelters because of overbreeding. Good luck with your new baby and WELCOME to Chazhound! :)
 
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hiya and welcome to the forum.

im glad you got your pup in the end, especially after the first breeder.
how much did you pay for him in the end?

i agree with Red above though, but i do wish you the best with your pup =D
 

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sorry to hear about your bad expierience, thanx for sharing
 
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To Bubbatd: thank you for your advise about changing the name of the Goldendoodles. I haven't seen on the Internet where these dogs are referred to as 'Golden/Poodle mix'. Every site I have visited including clubs all refer to these dogs as Goldendoodles. Also, thank you for your advise on changing my user name. If I start getting any "hateful posts" I will contact the moderator.
Until then, I will remain, 'doodle owner'. http://www.goldendoodles.com/USDoods4/sunny.htm
 

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Hope you don't have trouble makers !!! If you do have to change your name, be sure to let us know your new handle !
 
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i'm sure you already know this doodleowner...Goldendoodles ARE golden retriever/poodle mixes and there is no other name for them. "Goldendoodle" was a name thought up by whomever mixed the two breeds in the first place. It makes people think they are getting more than a glorified mutt and most "breeders" charge outrageous amounts of money (as you've seen personally) for this mixed breed. I am glad you finally got the mix you wanted...but as previously stated by others, it's a golden retriever/poodle mix, that's all. this fancy name junk started when byb's wanted to make a quick dollar off of people that actually thought these designer dogs were "breeds". :( i feel badly for those who've fallen into that trap (believing mixes are a breed).

glad you got your dog...hope ya didn't spend to much on him... and welcome to chaz.
 

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Quite frankly, until the breed is recognized by FCI, KC, AKC and other official registries and until they establish the standard, start giving out pedigrees and demand health checks before breeding it's nothing but a mix to me ;) ..... and there's no way that I would ever pay as much money for a mix puppy (thought I love mutts, but I'd rather go and save one from the shelter!)......
 

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$4000 is insane, period! Those people are trying to justify BASIC puppy care as extra, expensive treatment. It does not cost $1000's to get a check-up for the puppy & get their hips x-rayed (which is useless in a 8 week-old anyway, she should've tested the parents). I got my precious mixed puppy for $150 from rescue, and for a total of $300 I pre-paid his neuter, hip & elbow x-rays, microchip, and all of his check-ups and shots. I'm sorry, but that money-scamming is the goal of every Goldendoodle breeder out there, IMO.

I don't want to bash you or your baby, she is adorable! However, I saw many pups just like her while searching shelters, waiting to be saved from euthanasia and costing $50-150. In my opinion, the breeder you got your pup from is MILES from being responsible :( I'm sorry, but honestly, just look at their website. They produces 5 litters in one month (March)! NO reputable breeder would breed that many litters in an entire year, much less 1 month. I am curious how even that large family could properly care for & socialize 40 puppies at once? Not to mention how much them producing 100's of puppies a year is heavily affecting the huge overpopulation of dogs in this country... It's very sad, and heck no I wouldn't consider that a good breeder. To me, a good breeder CARES about dogs dying in shelters, and limits breedings because of that & because it is impossible to give the best care possible to dozens of pups at once.
 

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A "goldendoodle" is a mutt. Simple as that. They are a cross between a golden and a poodle. You may have a F2 or F3 mutt but it is still a mutt
 

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Chrissy&B said:
Quite frankly, until the breed is recognized by FCI, KC, AKC and other official registries ...... Is nothing but a mix
WRONG! There are tons of legitimate breeds out there not recognized by the AKC.... or should I say they are recognized by the AKC but are un-registerable.
 

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That's why I mentioned 3 major Clubs (FCI-all European countries and quite a few others around the world, KC for UK, AKC for US and unfortunately I don't know Canadian and Australian ones). Basically there are quite a few breeds that are recognized by one of them and not by other 2 and so on, but if the breed isn't recognized by either one of them, then in my opinion is a mix. Well, I myself wouldn't buy any breed anyway, if I couldn't register with FCI.... specially since I show my dogs in Europe, so having a FCI pedigree is a must ;) .
 
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pup-man said:
WRONG! There are tons of legitimate breeds out there not recognized by the AKC.... or should I say they are recognized by the AKC but are un-registerable.

like what for example???

*not starting an argument...just looking for examples*
 

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Easy folks !!! Yes , there are some mixes that are recognized and registered outside AKC and CKC... this is after several breeding within .... all " doodle " breeds should not fall into this " cur " area. Though I do not like these mixed breedings exploited for the very high costs , I do fault first breedings to capitalize on the current craze . I have a great male Poodle next door ... if I had a female Golden and said " hey, how about a litter ? .... I could get $1000 for each pup and will split with you ! " ...This would make me a very bad BYB , even though both sire and dam had all their tests. I would be breeding mutts. If you truly want one of these mixes.... buy only from TESTED 3rd year generation from a dedicated breeder ( if you can find one ) This doesn't only apply to Doodles. but to any " designer " dogs. Let's face it, all breeds have in the past were bred with another. But after the Golden breed was recognized ... no one who bred a water spaniel , with a SB , a bloodhound , Russian tracker etc. could call their dogs a Golden. I personally feel that those who do , should be faulted as false advertising.
 

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