Please Help This Woman.......

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A person involved in rescue is always looking at what condition an animal is in. Every time I see a dog chained I look to see if it has food, water and shelter. It's just natural. She did not just "grab" the dog because it was on a chain. It was suffering and no one was home. Hardly a swoop and grab scenario. The problem is when you are involved with rescue you know more of the whole picture. You know any calls for help will come days later. You know that the laws against animal cruelty are hardly effective. Would you follow every law to a T, just because it is the law, regardless of what is right or wrong? I won't. I will not let a dog suffer because of the law. Plain and simple. Anybody who would has no compassion IMO. A dogs life and well being means more to me than some law imposed by man. That is not to say I am a lawbreaking type, but in some situations, you gotta do what you gotta do.
1) When you're involved with rescue, your greater knowledge and status as a semi-professional mean you have a greater responsibility to be legit and not go stealing animals like an avenging angel.

2) I don't know what I would do in that situation. But the one thing I would not do is steal the dog and then mount a PR campaign asking for money for my legal defense because I'd been caught and arrested and charged with a crime I had knowingly committed as if I was the innocent victim of a crazy society. I'd defend myself, yes, but I would try to make a credible case that the theft was the last resort, and that the system was broken in not addressing this poor dog. Simply deciding that this case is too painful, too bad, to go through the usual channels and fact-checking is the emotional, irresponsible, impulsive act of a teenager. The case as presented in that website is not serving her or her cause at all well.
 

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When you're involved with rescue, your greater knowledge and status as a semi-professional mean you have a greater responsibility to be legit and not go stealing animals like an avenging angel.

Above all I am in rescue for the animals involved, no one else.



The case as presented in that website is not serving her or her cause at all well.

Thousands of people see it differently than you.
 

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This thread started by me, was meant for support for this woman. It was not a question or trying to start a debate. If your opinion differs than that of support then start your own thread. I personally do not care to hear the "devil's advocate". If you don't agree, start your own debate on another thread. I know I can't control posts on this thread just asking. ;)

My husband is a sargeant/k9 handler officer also being head of our k9 division with 3 dogs/handlers....alot for our county size, but my moral obligation falls first above any laws in a case like this.
 

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There were smarter ways to go about getting this dog, other than making it a public event. She could be a free woman right now, WITH that dog, if she'd just planned a little.

Still, I can't fault her for what she did, because I can't honestly say that I wouldn't do the same thing. I wasn't in that situation, I don't know every detail, and while I may think it could have been better thought out, I'm still very glad Doogie is out of that sitution.

I wish we could get an update on his condition somehow.
 
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Yeah and by the sounds of it that dog had a ton of time...give me a break. Tammy did the right thing. I will do whatever I can to help.
 

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I don't see why this is an issue with any one. If there was a dog dieing I would save it. I wouldn't even have to think twice. I wouldn't care what the concequences were, just as long as I knew I saved a life...that would be enough for me.

I would rather spend a few years in jail then have to live with the fact that I just sat there and did nothing while a defenceless creature was slowly being killed, expecially when there was something I could have done to chane that...
 
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Update

Here's the latest article (as of 2 am Saturday) which states that 'Doogie' (aka 'Jake' by ignorant/abusive/irresponsible owners) was in fact abused prior to being rescued by Tammy (IMO, Doogie was rescued, not stolen):

Veterinarian says Jake was abused

By Mark Leberfinger, [email protected]


A veterinarian didn’t hesitate when asked a question about a dog he treated Monday.

Based on his experience and to a reasonable degree of veterinary certainty, was Jake neglected or abused?

“Oh, yes. Yes. Definitely yes,” Dr. Nour Hassane of the Veterinary Hospital of Altoona said Friday. “It was like somebody doesn’t care about this dog or was very busy and didn’t keep up with the dog.”

The dog, called Jake by its owners and Doogie by the founder of a dog protection organization, is at the center of a criminal case.

The dog’s owners have not been charged with a crime. Steve and Lori Arnold deny abusing or neglecting Jake. They say the 19-year-old German shepherd/black labrador mix suffered from arthritis and was given aspirin periodically for pain.

The only charges have been filed against Dogs Deserve Better founder Tammy Sneath Grimes. She is charged with stealing the dog. She has refused to give the dog back, police said.

Grimes says she took the dog to keep it from dying. It had laid on the ground for three days before Grimes came to Freedom Township at a neighbor’s request.

Jake was dehydrated, malnourished and weak, Hassane said. The dog’s spine and hips had deformities.

“You can see the skin but you can’t feel the muscles. He couldn’t stand on his four feet. I tried to help him stand on his back legs, but he would fall back down,” Hassane said.

Freedom Township police have no evidence that the dog was abused; they haven’t been able to see the dog, Police Chief John Reilly said.

“We probably could do something but it would be very hard to prove because I don’t have the dog. I can’t even get the medical records. We are basically at a standstill,” Reilly said.

Neglect or abuse is at the heart of Pennsylvania’s cruelty to animals law. It is a summary offense punishable by a fine no more than $750, up to 90 days in jail or both.

Neglect is failure to provide necessary vet care, shelter, water or food, said Humane Officer Tina Walter of the Humane Society of Lackawanna County.

“In a neglect case, we usually have to give a warning unless the dog is in imminent danger. It’s very difficult to fight in these cases unless we have a warning,” Walter said.

In Jake’s case, police and the Central Pennsylvania Humane Society say they had no abuse complaints about the dog before Monday’s incident.

A neighbor says she called the society twice — Saturday and Monday — without results. A society spokesman said a complaint was received over the weekend but couldn’t be substantiated because of a lack of a specific address.

Issuing warnings or citations isn’t the normal first step in dog cases; educating the owner is.

“People may not know or understand what they need to do. Common sense is not so common. I had a woman whose dog was outside in 90-degree heat without shelter or water; she didn’t think it was wrong,” Humane Officer Joanne Smith of the Elk County Humane Society said.

Pennsylvania’s Dog Law does not cover abuse or neglect issues. The law’s focus is on licensing, rabies vaccinations and kennels, state Agriculture Department spokesman Chris Ryder said.

“It’s a local issue, a police or SPCA/humane society matter,” Ryder said.

State dog wardens work with police or humane officers on neglect or abuse issues.

“But we don’t have the authority to cite,” Ryder said.

Mirror Staff Writer Mark Leberfinger is at 946-7462.
http://altoonamirror.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=4834

I am amazed by the people who feel that this dog should have been left to suffer until (or even if) he could have been taken legally! To me, the most important thing is that Doogie is living the rest of his days in the most comfortable manner possible, and he is also receiving attention and love by people who truly care..
 
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I would rather spend a few years in jail then have to live with the fact that I just sat there and did nothing while a defenceless creature was slowly being killed, expecially when there was something I could have done to chane that...
You would rather spend a few years in jail away from your family? Not sure that is very wise in my opinion when there are much better ways to save said dog.
 

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You would rather spend a few years in jail away from your family? Not sure that is very wise in my opinion when there are much better ways to save said dog.
What exactully would have been a better way? The dog had been down for what, 3 days?

Yes, I might have tried to find a better way, but in the end, if it came down to that...then yes, I would rather spend a few years in jail...

why? because a few years is nothing, when I get out I can just go back to my life.. And If I didn't save that dog, he would have died. He can never come back to his life.
 

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Here it is............finished. No more pictures being accepted, sorry.:)

I will change any mistakes found....... So please mention anything else.

And to those who have already viewed the page please refresh it to see the finished product. :)

And please sign the guestbook..... :D

Thanks a million....
Julie.

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Activists against child abuse can't kidnap battered children, activists for the environment can't murder the CEOs of logging companies, and activists against dog abuse can't steal people's dog.
So you wouldn't help a dying child because it would be "kidnapping"? That's basically what this amounts to.
 
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1) When you're involved with rescue, your greater knowledge and status as a semi-professional mean you have a greater responsibility to be legit and not go stealing animals like an avenging angel.

2) I don't know what I would do in that situation. But the one thing I would not do is steal the dog and then mount a PR campaign asking for money for my legal defense because I'd been caught and arrested and charged with a crime I had knowingly committed as if I was the innocent victim of a crazy society. I'd defend myself, yes, but I would try to make a credible case that the theft was the last resort, and that the system was broken in not addressing this poor dog. Simply deciding that this case is too painful, too bad, to go through the usual channels and fact-checking is the emotional, irresponsible, impulsive act of a teenager. The case as presented in that website is not serving her or her cause at all well.
This woman saved a dying dog. Maybe she could have done it in a smarter way. Maybe not. Did you see the video?? If you wouldn't help a dying dog, you don't belong here pretending that you care about animals.
 
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Yes, I might have tried to find a better way, but in the end, if it came down to that...then yes, I would rather spend a few years in jail...

why? because a few years is nothing, when I get out I can just go back to my life.. And If I didn't save that dog, he would have died. He can never come back to his life.
Wow. I think your priorities are way off.
 
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If you wouldn't help a dying dog, you don't belong here pretending that you care about animals.
I wouldn't have stole the dog. I would have pursued lawful alternatives. The woman that stole the dog has done more damage than benefit to her cause.
 

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This thread started by me, was meant for support for this woman. It was not a question or trying to start a debate. If your opinion differs than that of support then start your own thread. I personally do not care to hear the "devil's advocate". If you don't agree, start your own debate on another thread. I know I can't control posts on this thread just asking.
I agree with this!!

Start a new thread!! Show some support - common guys... :(
 

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