Please answer me, Im very sad

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Hello everybody, as you can see in the title Im very -very sad right now. My english is not that good, so forgive my mistakes. My poodle bit me today. He is 8 years old and has never done it before. He has not biten anyone before. He wasnt agressive he just bit me as he was siting there, playing with a toy, and I tried to take it away from him to check something. Me and my dog are very close, I always hug him and carry him, play with him etc. He is a sweet thing, and has never bit me, even when I take FOOD from him. So now that was a shock, I thought I knew my dog. When he bit me - not bad though - he wasn't playing with me, he did it to stop me from taking his game. At first I was so shocked that didnt do anything. After some minutes I yelled at him, for the first time, since he was a puppy and let me tell you, he was shocked by this too. After some hours I did let him come to my room and hug him, but I don't know If I reacted right, and what to do to never see him bite me, or someone else again. If someone had told me that this would happen some day I wouldn't believe him. Please help if you can. :(
 

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It's not a surprise that he bit you when you took his toy away.

Lots of dogs will growl, snarl, snap or even BITE their owners if they are playing and try to take their toys away. It's normal for dogs to do this in the wild but should not be tolerated in a home!

Dogs don't care who you are when they bite you. They don't think "this is my owner, I love her very much, I shouldn't bite her!" They react to the situation. If you're doing something they don't like, whether you're a stranger or a loving owner, they don't care. They WILL bite.

I'm sure your dog still loves you and it's not your fault. He probably would have bitten anyone else if they did that, not just you. A good way to break the habit is to say "NO." in a low voice and if you have a leash on him, tug it and jerk it once or twice. It is not a good idea to punish 'a few minutes' after the situation.

All the help I can give.
 

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my dog rascal bit my mom because she was taking his bone away after he was grawling at me cause i sat on the bed and we yelled no and got out his crate put him in it(he absolutly hates his crate)so after a couple minutes like 10 we took him out let him have his bone back but first we made sure he didnt growl or anything like that

well i think that you should have said no before a couple secounds after he bit you and put all his toys away.but thats just me im not good with punishments to my animals
 

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A good way to break the habit is to say "NO." in a low voice and if you have a leash on him, tug it and jerk it once or twice.
That is exactly what NOT to do.

Is there any chance that he is losing his eyesight, just a thought because of his age?

I would start reading up on the NILIF program if I were you. I am sure that many more knowlegable trainers and owners will be along soon to help you more than I can. :)
 

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That is exactly what NOT to do.

Is there any chance that he is losing his eyesight, just a thought because of his age?

I would start reading up on the NILIF program if I were you. I am sure that many more knowlegable trainers and owners will be along soon to help you more than I can. :)
explaination? as long as you don't say it in a loud booming or intimidating voice, it will most likely get your dog's attention.
 

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Thanks guys, Im so concerned because he is 8 years old and this was the first time to do something like that!!! He doesnt behave like "a dog" normally, its just like a family member, can understand so many words and is so loving! It was my fault not to yell at him right after he bit me...
 

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First, get your dog checked by a vet. Sometimes older dogs get a thyroid imbalance and other things which can cause changes in personality. Next.....

When we think of punishment, scolding, physical pain, causing fear, we are thinking in human terms. We are thinking that the perpetrator has comitted a "crime" which to us, is immoral, wrong and goes against our value systems of what is right and wrong. Dogs, however do not have the ability to share our morals or values. They have a completely different wiring. Punishment such as described is not what behaviorists, educated trainers and canine behavior scientists would recommend to treat any kind of aggression. It can make the problem worse by creating even more defensiveness in your dog. We're trying to get rid of that defensive feeling. That is what is causing this possession guarding in the first place. Don't turn this into a power struggle. Don't set your dog up to even have that in his mind. Proper dog handling does not mean dominance over your dog. It means training with a brain.

What your dog did is normal in dog to dog interactions....to defend his possession. When it comes to guarding his stuff from his owner, that's when the dog-human relationship has something wrong. He needs to be conditioned to accepting you around "his" food, toys or anything he thinks is his.

When you condition a dog to trusting that you aren't a threat to his things, that having you around his things is actually a good thing, then you don't have this problem.

So, go back to the beginning. Do not give him that toy which he values so highly. Find a toy that he likes, but it isn't his favorite. Create a game-like atmosphere...."we're gonna have some fun!" Get out some high value treats, like small tidbits of hot dog, other fresh meat, cheese and keep them near you on a table. Hold a treat in front of his nose while he is chewing on his toy. He'll probably drop the toy to get the treat. At the same time that you pick up the toy, give him the treat. Make it simultaneous and say, "give." (he's going to learn what "give" means) Immediately give him back his toy. (as he takes it, say, "take.") Praise him and make it like a fun game. Repeat. When he is dropping the toy into your hand and is showing signs of getting "into" the game, not worried about having his toy taken because he gets it right back, start asking for the toy first before he gets the treat instead of at the same time as you did before. "Give"......treat/praise....."take" (give the toy back) That is the sequence and it happens fast....a fun, fast, exciteable game with lots of praise and happy voice.

Next, start tossing the toy just a few feet away and encourage him to bring it to you. Retrieving is part of the fun. He brings it to you or almost to you and you say, "give"....give him a yummy treat and "take"...give it back OR.....toss it again if he loves the retrieve game. Mix it up. Do both. Then put the toy away for the time being.

Put all toys away unless you're playing this game....for a while. Once he gets so he's very willing to give his toy to you, try using a slightly higher value toy and gradually work up. Get him solid and comfortable with you taking his things, rewarding him, giving him back his things right away as a game before you raise the value of the toy.

Hand feed him instead of giving him his meals in a bowl. Ask him to sit first or lie down and give him a handful. Ask for him to shake hands (if he knows that) and give him a handful. Ask him to walk next to you nicey down the hall, and give him a handful. He's going to be earning most things he likes.

Does he want to go outside? Sit first and wait until you give him a release word. Does he want you to pat him. Sit first. Does he do something to get your attention and you look at him? Don't. Get it so you act and he reacts, not the other way around.

He just needs a refresher course in seeing that you provide his resources...the things he likes and needs. You control them. He must follow YOUR direction in order to get his goodies. Behavior which is pushy, obnoxious....do not reinforce. Sometimes we reinforce inadvertantly (by mistake). If it's attention seeking behavior, ignore him. Wait for a moment when he's being "nice" and then instigate the interaction. Later on, when he's cured, you don't have to carry all this to the extreme. But for now, I would.

Always figure out what payoff he's getting for some unwanted behavior and make sure he doesn't continue to get it. Make sure that you notice desireable behavior and let him know that you like that. Reinforce good behavior often and lavishly.

Anyone who interacts with him must do the same. He needs consistancy and a lot of reinforcement for the wanted behavior in order to learn how to interact in a way which is acceptable to humans.

Let us know how things go.
 
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Jerking on your dog isn't the way to get it's attention. Don't ever do that.

Dober always posts great advice, so read up on what they wrote.
 

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Wow that was so helpfull and inspiring Dober, thank you so much! But, do you really think that he can learn this kind of things at his age, considering that I never had to train him for things like that before?
 

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Yes Filianna. Dogs can learn at any age. It may take a little longer because he's been getting his own way perhaps for a long time. (but you didn't notice) But when he finds out what works and what doesn't he will give up the idea of trying this possessiveness because it isn't going to work anymore. He'll keep trying for while since it's worked up to now. After a few weeks (probably) he's going to choose the behavior which works best to get him what he wants. It's a matter of manipulating his environment, setting him up to succeed (by gradual counter conditioning) at getting what he wants but getting it in an appropriate way.

A leader (you) is the one who controls his resources. A leader is not harsh, punishing, overly emotional, but is decisive, assertive, firm and affectionate. But save the affection for when he's behaving nicely. Be careful not to reinforce rotten behavior. (Reinforcers are things he likes a lot and which cause a behavior to change.)

Try not to be sad or take this personally. Dogs are dogs, not little human children with our morals. They have little brains and they're wired to be dogs, not humans. He loves you and he has emotions. But they're not exactly the same as ours. He has instincts which enabled his specie to survive and that's one of them. It's something that we need to train our dogs to go against that instinct. It's one of those things which can be done relatively easily as long as you follow the plan and make sure everyone else does too. :)
 

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Works on a walk much better, actually
Why would you need to jerk your dog's leash to get his attention? If he is not paying attention to you then obviously you need to re-visit some obedience training.

To the OP: I am very sorry to hear that you had this experience with your dog. Doberluv has give you great advice. ;) I hope she is able to help you and your love. Good luck.
 

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Why would you need to jerk your dog's leash to get his attention? If he is not paying attention to you then obviously you need to re-visit some obedience training.

To the OP: I am very sorry to hear that you had this experience with your dog. Doberluv has give you great advice. ;) I hope she is able to help you and your love. Good luck.
Things catch dog's eyes often like squirrels, another dog, etc., and sometimes dogs simply can't ignore them. A short jerk or tug on the leash will avert your dogs attention to you. When your dog is paying attention, is focused and walking by your side, the reward is no tension on the leash.

Maybe you should watch The Dog Whisperer and see it work for yourself? ;)
 

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Filianna,

If your dog is 8 years old and has let you take food and toys until now... then... As Doberluv said...take her/him to the vet, now!
It's possible bones or teeth are aching, your dog may be feeling crotchety from age alone. A dog that starts being snappy after a lifetime of being soft may have lots of things going on. The dog can't tell you it's hearing, sight or smell is going but imagine if that was happening to you. It would be quite scary, no?
Toothache? Imagine having toochache and somebody yanked something out your mouth too fast. You need do nothing different from routine, but your dog feels pain.
 
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Things catch dog's eyes often like squirrels, another dog, etc., and sometimes dogs simply can't ignore them. A short jerk or tug on the leash will avert your dogs attention to you. When your dog is paying attention, is focused and walking by your side, the reward is no tension on the leash.

Maybe you should watch The Dog Whisperer and see it work for yourself? ;)
I think you are getting your info from poor rescources. Read up a bit more.

Budys Parents, and Dober know what they're talking about.

Pulling on them will hurt them, and cause them to fear you, the leash, and walks. We can all agree that's NOT what we wnat.

There are MANY other ways to get your dogs attention. That is not one of them.
 

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For all who said to take him to the vet: fortunately he is ok. I had him checked this month, he only feels pain on his feet (the back feet) and he also cough some times. What I thought right now is that he could be angry with me. You see I didn't have a job since May, and I found a job now. Just started last monday, so I live him with my mother, who he doen't like a lot. He might feel strange with the new program, but then Im not sure he is my first dog, and as I said I never had this problem before. He doesnt cause damage to the house - I hear depressed dogs do that when their owners are away. Dober is right, my dog always had what he wanted, maybe not always food, but toys! I have never taken this particular toy from him when he is playing with it. Now I have it away from his, and his other toys too. Im starting this new training today.
 

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