Discussion in 'The Dog Breeds' started by daaqa, Mar 21, 2007.
^^^^ Good Post :hail:
Dang..I would have to be the first one on the new page
I have only had one pit, and I only had him for 4 months (he was a foster dog). Yet I understand 100% what you all are saying. Like you could look at him and tell, this dog’s whole life was devoted to his owner.
Jet & my dogs didn’t get along; he was NOT dog aggressive in any way. (He is the one pictured laying down in my sig; his new mom just sent me that pic.) MY dogs actually took an instant dislike to him. The couple of times they met, 2 of MY dogs would gang up on Jet when outside. Jet would take it every time and never fought back. They were always supervised, but my dogs were so mean, I ended up having to crate & rotate because of MY dogs. Jet was by far the most difficult foster, in his 4 months he learned how to the climb fence, he chewed up everything I own (even when crated, he still managed to reach a jacket) even though he had plenty of toys, he harassed my cats (didn’t try to hurt them, he just wanted to play and my cats weren’t too happy about it), he cried & whined every time I crated him. The list goes on & on. Despite all of this, he is still my favorite foster, and had my dogs not been so hateful toward him, he would have stayed.
I do know what you all are talking about. In 4 short months, I felt the same way you were describing. There is no way to explain it… I plan on my next dog being a pit. I don’t want to foster any other breed of dog (although I have a foster Dal now). There’s just something about them, their love for their owner is beyond comparison. I know other dogs are devoted as well but there is something more loving about pits. With Jet it was like I was his entire world, and now his lucky new mom is. Nothing was as important as I was to him, not treats, not toys, nothing, not even for a second during the 4 months I had him. My GSD is very devoted as well but he gets distracted by toys, other dogs, and people walking by the house, exc. But with Jet, his attention was ALWAYS on me. I have never met a dog who would do a trick 100% of the time, but every single time I told Jet to sit, no matter what else was going on, or how excited he was, that dog would sit, every single time. My dogs do well, but sometimes they are too distracted, or they are too excited.
Good post, DryCreek.
And I also wonder what other breeds of dogs have brought together such a diverse range of people together?
You wouldn't believe the stares me & my friends can get. Here I am the 5 ft. tall white girl with blonde hair (although some on here think I'm some gang bangin' drug slinging dog fighter ) walking dogs with a 6 ft. 4 250 lb black man, a 6 ft. tall skinny white guy covered in tattoos, & a woman who is old enough to be my grandmother (she lives down the street with a pit bull mix). We all love to go walking together at least once every 2 weeks.
I think that we all think of 'our' breed that way though. That would be why certain people are attracted to different breeds- they're looking for different things in companionship.
Everyone I know in real life who has had a lot of breeds then gets a pap ends up having papillons the rest of their life. They are truely unlike any other breed of dog. Beau has caused so many people to end up getting a papillon instead of another breed. He's just... infectious. People fall in love with him very quickly. He's outgoing and smart and he always attracts attention. I can't describe to you what it's like being friends with a dog like Beau. I can tell you he is truely a one of a kind dog and the most devoted dog to any person I have ever seen. He is flat out amazing and saying that doesn't do him nearly enough justice.
It's sad because many people get put off by their size or toy breed status and miss out on owning such a great companion, because that's what papillons are- purely companions. Other breeds I've had are diverse, and I loved them so much. My shelties right now are great. However, until you had a dog bred for the sole reason of companionship, you don't really know how different the relationship with dogs of that breed are.
I have to say, though, that I absolutely love Am Staffs, though I probably won't ever own them, I think they're a gorgeous breed.
The next dog for me other than papillons is definitely a beezer.
i wouldn't leave dogs to run for hours unattended, and we crate our dog when we leave the house anyway. we usually had a small dog/big dog combo in our house growing up, and didn't worry too much unless the size difference was huge [rottie vs yorkie].
i'm just gathering from these other pit owners/handlers that i need to separate them every single time i walk out of the room, and that's just a bit too much for my lifestyle. at least while they are small children around to constantly be chasing. maybe it will be different when i have older chidlren.
maybe if i was already in love with the breed it would be an easy thing to overlook, but i'm not. i'm interested/facinated and respect them, but i've really never known any closely.
Does the "Other" breed in the house come into play?
I wouldn't want to trust one say, with say, a classic instigator like a JRT which can be DA too, but seem too small to hold off a larger dog like a Pit if it did start something. A Saint or Newfie on the other hand tends to be more passive, and certainly more able to defend itself if you were wrong and something did happen. My thoughts here are that I'd want to come back to 2 dogs needing stitches than a dead dog...
I think it depends entirely on the dog, I can't leave mine alone with other dogs as he will start a fight. I've had others that I never had to worry about.
you may call me small minded, but i dont let Ruckus play with pitts.
we have strays that come in our yard, i will not even take him outside if there is a pitt anywhere around. there is no human attatched, i know noting of this stray pitt, no sense in ever risking it.
I don't let my dogs hang around strange dogs, period. (And suprisingly enough it has *nothing* to do with my dogs, it's ALWAYS the other dog that worries me)
So you can call me even more greatly small minded.
i actually dont let Ruckus near a dog thats not attacthed to a human either.
but even if a pitt is on leash, i will not bring Ruckus over.
To bad you don't live a little closer.....Sal would change your mind on that policy!
Sal would wash Ruckus' face thats it.
As far as loose strays....I don't allow my dogs around strays of any breed.
with a responsible dog owner like you, i am sure i would feel alright letting Ruckus and one of your dogs play. but the pitt owners here are nuts!!! ha, i just will not even go into that.
How do you know it's a pit bull? Considering the term "pit bull" is a generic one & implies to anything that is between 30 & 130 lbs, muscular, & whatever other characteristics it contains to make someone want to call it a "pit bull."
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I just am always amazed that everything out there is a "pit bull." Even Chihuahua puppies were labeled as "vicious pit bull puppies" at a shelter once.
And I wouldn't bring my dogs outside either if a stray dog was in my yard. I'd call AC to come get the dang thing.
And as an owner of American Pit Bull Terriers that are dog aggressive & don't like to be approached by some dog pulling it's owner over in an effort to "play", we thank you.
Agree. Its one thing when people ask first, but irritating and potentially dangerous when they just let them run over.
I agree Miakoda!
An all accounts! LOL
rabbitsarebetter- I thank you as well! I dont' care if dogs are on leash or not, my dogs DO NOT interact with ANY strange dogs period. I must reiterate is has nothing to do with my dogs temperment, rather I'm more scared of yours!
And I apologize if my statement came out sounding really rude as it wasn't intended that way. I meant what I said, but I just happened to be really pissed off about something completely different when I wrote it so it might've come out sounding a little bit harsh.
and what kind of crack where the staff smoking?? have they never been around dogs! yikes!
I have. I too have owned many breeds and the most devoted I have met thus far is the Doberman. I have many friends with bully breeds, including APBT's and these dogs are nice, but, not as loyal as the Dobe's I've owned and known. I think everyone who has been owned by a dog can be a little bias, but, to out and out tell people that this is the way it is is not fair. Actually some of the APBT's and other bully breeds I have known are just as happy to leave their owner as they are to stay. I also found it fascinating years ago (many years ago) before the AKC breed book was redone it mentioned that APBT's and other bully breeds are the easiest breeds to rehome as they don't get as attached to their owners as other breeds. They love their owners yes, but, unlike other breeds that have a hard time adjusting to a new owners bully breeds don't. If you ever get a chance to get your hands on the old AKC book before it was revised it was quite fascinating. It also told of the aggression problems of each breed and why they were allowed to demonstrate aggressive behavior in the ring, and the breeds that had to wear muzzles in the ring...where now the dog would be excused.
As for dog aggression and APBT's, with the motor patterns they possess, and the behavioral conformation of a well bred APBT I would not trust them with other dogs. Of course, there are many mixed APBT's or ones that have been bred not holding the behavioral conformation true that are fine with other dogs. It all depends on the breeding and imprinting at the right time frame. To say all APBT's are dog aggressive is like my saying all Border Collies are wonderful sheep herders, I've met some border collies that imprinted on sheep to young or just didn't develop the proper behavioral conformation to be a good herd dog. Same goes with APBT's, not all are going to have the technique or enhanced behaviors to be true to what they had been bred for.
i think badrap lays it out as well as possible so i'll just link it and leave it at that.
i do not ever leave my dogs together unattended. ever. i've never had a serious fight. i plan to keep it that way. luce and mushroom both have the propensity for dog-aggression with certain dogs. i don't know about the new guy yet- he hasn't shown any aggression at all, but that doesn't mean it's not there.