As for Filas . . .
This is Gigante de Jaguara, one of the more celebrated of the old Fila lines:
And here is Gamble, Kharma's sire:
The old, long gone Fila breeders would not, I think, scoff at Gamble.
Forte do Parque do Castello
Kharma
Kharma obviously has the advantage of superior nutrition, but the frame is the same
I feel very fortunate to have found Judy and Gary while Gamble was their sire -- and biggest baby, lol. The bone in his line is so true to the old dogs, temperament good, intelligence, herding instinct, protective, fearless and the pups out of dam Cagney all had extraordinary herding instincts. Kharma's brother, Oliver, last I heard, was a wonder. Her uncle Dempsey is a spectacular dog, as was her aunt Buffy.