As for Filas . . .
This is Gigante de Jaguara, one of the more celebrated of the old Fila lines:
And here is Gamble, Kharma's sire:
The old, long gone Fila breeders would not, I think, scoff at Gamble.
Forte do Parque do Castello
Kharma
Kharma obviously has the advantage of superior nutrition, but the frame is the same
I feel very fortunate to have found Judy and Gary while Gamble was their sire -- and biggest baby, lol. The bone in his line is so true to the old dogs, temperament good, intelligence, herding instinct, protective, fearless and the pups out of dam Cagney all had extraordinary herding instincts. Kharma's brother, Oliver, last I heard, was a wonder. Her uncle Dempsey is a spectacular dog, as was her aunt Buffy.
This is Gigante de Jaguara, one of the more celebrated of the old Fila lines:
And here is Gamble, Kharma's sire:
The old, long gone Fila breeders would not, I think, scoff at Gamble.
Forte do Parque do Castello
Kharma
Kharma obviously has the advantage of superior nutrition, but the frame is the same
I feel very fortunate to have found Judy and Gary while Gamble was their sire -- and biggest baby, lol. The bone in his line is so true to the old dogs, temperament good, intelligence, herding instinct, protective, fearless and the pups out of dam Cagney all had extraordinary herding instincts. Kharma's brother, Oliver, last I heard, was a wonder. Her uncle Dempsey is a spectacular dog, as was her aunt Buffy.
Tell me about it. I loved the look of my GSD, but we lost her way too early
My aunt raised Shepherds on/off for nearly 40 years! The breed has been in my family from the early 30s until the late 80s - all the same bloodlines my aunt originally started breeding. Her Shepherds lived an average of 14+ years, which is unheard of today. They were protection dogs, not this sport dog carp in the breed today. Ugh. Those were some Shepherds ...
My great grandmother w/ the Shepherds - this would be early 1930s, some of the first sheps the family owned
Same dog as in pic above, also early '30s:
Major - This would be around '45, give or take
Not sure which dog, but this is 1975
And this is my GSD, September 2006, the last pic I have of her. She had good structure for a mainly working line GSD, but the tough of Am. and German show blood she had REALLY showed while she was gaiting. Sharp temperament but awesome dog
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I think for the Alapaha it depends on which way you follow the lineage. If you follow the lines from Lana's yard up here to these dogs I think there has been improvement and there CONTINUES to be improvement.
If you look at the dogs started out of CRK, I think they have drastically declined the structure, temperament, and overall feel for the breed. They are breeding for "looks" and personally I find those looks to be revolting and sad and full of health problems. These dogs are not built to perform, they're built to make money and look bad-ass. Now there is a breeder who is attempting to turn around some CRK stock into working dogs, but sadly I feel he is fighting an uphill battle.
When you're talking about a newer breed you can't look back 50 years and compare dogs. But I feel that with each litter that is being put on the ground up here we are greatly improving on the generations before in every aspect. Plus the consistency that we get can't be found from the CRK stock. As I've said before, I'm excited to be a part of this breed
If you look at the dogs started out of CRK, I think they have drastically declined the structure, temperament, and overall feel for the breed. They are breeding for "looks" and personally I find those looks to be revolting and sad and full of health problems. These dogs are not built to perform, they're built to make money and look bad-ass. Now there is a breeder who is attempting to turn around some CRK stock into working dogs, but sadly I feel he is fighting an uphill battle.
When you're talking about a newer breed you can't look back 50 years and compare dogs. But I feel that with each litter that is being put on the ground up here we are greatly improving on the generations before in every aspect. Plus the consistency that we get can't be found from the CRK stock. As I've said before, I'm excited to be a part of this breed
chis:
i dunno, i see a good domed head in the ring nowerdays but i do occaisonally see too much dome and i see preference for smaller and smaller dogs with a thinner structure and either not enough or too much dome...
cresties...
as far as i can tell cresties realy havent changed much, this seems to be the same with most of the primitive africans, like the basenji, theres realy not been too mcuh change, though i do like todays efforts to better tooth detention and powederpuffs are getting mroe ring recognition which during the early years of the breed being accepted puffers were culled/highly frowned uppon.
in terms of looks though...no real changes.
i dunno, i see a good domed head in the ring nowerdays but i do occaisonally see too much dome and i see preference for smaller and smaller dogs with a thinner structure and either not enough or too much dome...
cresties...
as far as i can tell cresties realy havent changed much, this seems to be the same with most of the primitive africans, like the basenji, theres realy not been too mcuh change, though i do like todays efforts to better tooth detention and powederpuffs are getting mroe ring recognition which during the early years of the breed being accepted puffers were culled/highly frowned uppon.
in terms of looks though...no real changes.
German Shepherds? Check out this page and make up your own minds past to present
past to present
If I were to get a GSD... I would have to dig and dig, until I found a farm somewhere with a GSD that had not been changed so much.
I am actually doing some work with archive photos, they go WAY back to the 50's. I notice some good and some bad in terms of conformation. I don't think it would hurt to use lines 20 years ago, the breed IMO has improved since then with the individuals that are committed to bettering the breed and not just breeding randomly, but there are so many different lines to consider with very different looks and temperament. The only problem is you need to know the lines in depth, know that information you can only get by knowing the dogs, so you have access to longevity information, health, temperament, faults, strengths, working ability, etc. information not always easily seen just looking at a pedigree and photo.
you don't have to go to a "farm" to get a good GSD. you just have to go to the right breeder. I wouldn't take a GSD from most breeders that are out there, there's a lot of bad ones. But there also some good ones that have excellent working dogs and they're always looking for somebody to work them. Problem is that most of your general dog owners don't want to.
I know a few. The dogs are out there. The vast majority are oversized, no drive, no heart fluffballs, but that seems to be what the public is buying. Some of the working breeders I know will give their "good" working dogs away just to be sure they go to somebody that will use their potential. My bitches weigh 63 and 58lbs respectively and can go all day, I couldn't ask for much more. I know nobody unwanted is coming near without a good fight and I know they aren't going to go off when they aren't supposed to.
RTH, that is wonderful to hear I'd really thought the classic GSD was nearing extinction.
I'd really thought the classic GSD was nearing extinction.
Really big, nice structure. And if I remember, I think he's from good lines.
Yeah, they are around. . .http://www.wmconsulting.com/herding/2009/20090418-19/tanna/img_5802.html
Really big, nice structure. And if I remember, I think he's from good lines.
Really big, nice structure. And if I remember, I think he's from good lines.