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  1. Lyzelle

    Lyzelle New Member

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    The logic is pretty simple. You get rid of your corrupt law enforcement/politics, and find decent officers who actually do good works.

    As far as me talking about Memphis in particular, it really just refers to my previous post - comparing Memphis to where I am now, which really just ties in with the statement above. You need good enforcement for ANY law. But bad enforcement can make any law bad. Memphis vs Here compares how it can work and how it can be a complete joke.

    Registering your dog with the city or state you reside in should be mandatory, in my opinion. You are made to put your name on everything else you own, pets - who can cause damage, run away, and so on - shouldn't be an exception. You can say "that is what microchips/tags are for", but only the best of us microchip/tag. Everyone else doesn't, because they don't want the responsibility. Making them register their dogs, it makes them take responsibility.

    It's just a simple matter of finding a balance between keeping the idiots in check, and allowing the better citizens to go about with their lives....and that is with ANY law, really.

    I never said I agree with it completely. Obviously plenty of cities and states have screwed it up plenty of times. And CLEARLY some lawmakers got a little carried away on limits, fees, and so on. But when it is done right from the beginning, and enforced correctly to the end, it CAN work. At least on a small scale.
     
  2. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Meh......... I can have as many dogs as I like, walk them where ever I like (within reason of course) and I like it that way....

    I think registration is a good idea, but I do NOT like the idea of limits and size restrictions and la la la la la la laaaa...

    And let's face it.... it's only the decent owners who would comply and actually be affected by this.

    It's a tax on good ownership.
     
  3. Lyzelle

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    I like the idea of limits, simply because I don't particularly like the idea that someone can shove 6 dogs in an apartment, then leave them alone to get bored all day while they are at work. Which generally means a lot of barking. And odd crashing sounds every now and then. Some limits are pretty excessive, though. Base only allows two animals and two caged animals, for example, and I don't agree with it. Two dogs, sure, the yards are pretty small and I can understand not wanting to deal with damage in the houses that might happen with more dogs. But two dogs and a cat wouldn't be so terrible. Cats generally don't make that much of a difference if they are kept inside and there isn't a hoard of them. I'd love to get a cat. But I want my second dog too. And as far as the caged animals, it's like they only allow fish. They've banned everything else. No ferrets, no snakes, no rabbits, no rats...

    Animal control is more active around the city, I guess, or maybe the "bad" owners are too scared by the huge fine they'd get for having an unregistered dog. Everyone complies in the city.

    I just wish they'd make a law about dogs loose in the back of trucks.
     
  4. crazedACD

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    +1..my dogs are fine with the neighbors being outside. If someone is walking down the road or someone 'new' is walking around the fence, maybe 2 or 3 might run up the fence and bark a few times..and then go back to their business depending on the person. We don't let the dogs out past 9:30/10pm, and we also scan outside the fence before letting them out. We won't let them all out if the neighbors are having a get together or something. My closest neighbor, a police officer, says he never hears them.

    The dog (a single rottie mix) a couple of houses down, I've heard bark nonstop for over two hours at all hours of the day and night. Dog barking laws work..it should be a case by case basis.
     
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    That in one short sentence is what I despise about it....

    ESP when it's painfully clear they don't do anything about the mills etc who don't abide by it...
     
  6. puppydog

    puppydog Tru evil has no pantyline

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    Its the blanket limit that is working me up. It should be from a case to case basis.
     
  7. Miakoda

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    The most dogs I've ever had at one time (not counting a litter of puppies) was 14. And I can guarantee you that my 14 dogs and my home were not even close to being a problem like a neighboring home with 2 small Chi's. My dogs didn't bark 24/7. Theirs did. My dogs didn't roam off-leash bring a freaking nuisance. Their's did. My dogs didn't make my grass grow unseemingly long. They hardly ever bothered to cut theirs. My yard didn't stink thanks to me scooping and disposing of poop twice a day. My neighbors yard didn't smell either, but considering I had to scoop their dogs poop out of my front yard on a daily basis, I'll give them another point.

    Having 14 dogs never caused me to have an unkept home, or have my dogs roam lose, or have my dogs bite anyone, or have my dogs act aggressively thru a fence, or cause me to not feed/water them.....I could go own.

    I find it pathetically humerous when a person tells me they don't personally believe I should have more than 2 or 3 dogs, thus it should be a law. How about use your bitching and complaining for good use such as encouraging stronger enforcement of leash laws, animal welfare laws (cruelty/neglect), and animal noise ordinance laws.

    Just because you (general) don't have the ability, time, and/or space to properly own multiple dogs, doesn't mean I don't either.

    This situation also reminds me of the continuing fight with my neighbors to have my horses on my property. They don't want to smell horses and they don't feel I should BR able to have them since we're no longer rural, but tough luck. Not only did they move into a neighborhood that allows for livestock, with the exception of cattle, as long as there is proper acreage, but it's MY home and MY land, and I'll do what I want. Not only dud they not want the horses, but they were against me fencingin my own yard! They didn't want an "ugly livestock fence" (nevermind that it's a wooden 3-rail fence installed by professionals), and they even tried to tell me where I could put it (they said it couldn't go past the front of my home....that would've left me with half the pasture fenced while wasting the other half. The laws said stop at 20 ft to the road, we left a good 35 ft.) It's been a year now, and my neighbors still gripe, and I know for a fact that they
     
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    puppydog Tru evil has no pantyline

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    There are people in this world who complain for the sake of complaining. I live next door to one. He WILL tell authorities that my dogs are a nuisance and cause me to have a battle on my hands just for principle.
     
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    Oh for the love of god. I was just making up random examples of how a bunch of dogs could be a nuisance to someone's neighbors. Just replace them with something that WOULD bother you if they wouldn't. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Beanie

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    You missed the point - or didn't actually read my post. Mr. GSD the next block over barking all day long DOES in fact bother me. I never said it didn't bother me.
    What I asked was, what do pet limit laws have to do with that? Both my examples involve ONE dog.

    A pet limit law is not a nuisance law.
    As several people have already pointed out, there are ALREADY nuisance laws that would address this stuff, regardless if it's one dog or ten or twenty. So why add another law that doesn't actually address the problem?
     
  11. Miakoda

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    A pet limit law is a "You have so many dogs that you cannot possibly afford them, have the space for them, keep them happy, or show each one enough love says one unknowing/ignorant person about another, whom they do not even know." kinda law.

    It's one person who think they know about another.

    I have a lot of friends that hunt with dogs. It's not uncommon to see anywhere between 5 and 50 dogs on a property.
     
  12. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    But what about the person who can own six dogs in an apartment WITHOUT them being a nuisance? Or the person who can't own ONE without causing problems for the neighbors? It's not a function of number. It's a function of quality of ownership. As with everything else.
     
  13. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Plus apartment complexes have the ability to put their own limits on their property as well. No need for laws.
     
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    ~Jessie~ Chihuahua Power!

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    I definitely agree with RTH.

    I do NOT want laws limiting the amount of pets I can own, nor do I want to have to register my pets. Thankfully, my county doesn't have license/registration laws.

    I take better than of my FIVE dogs than most people take care of one.

    There are noise ordinance laws for barking, abuse laws for people not taking care of their animals, etc, etc. WHY do we need laws limiting the number of animals if they are well taken care of and not causing a disturbance?!

    Like someone said, it's a tax for the law abiding citizens. The people who are breaking the laws are the ones who AREN'T going to register their pets so it does no good.
     
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    Plus they have expensive pet deposits, so I highly doubt somebody will bring six dogs to an apartment. The pet deposit here is $300. Multiply that by 6 and you get $1800 which is almost as much as a whole month's rent! You'd have to be freaking rich to to pay that, and if you were that rich, why wouldn't you just buy a house?? But I digress.

    If you (general you) don't think that AC will take your dog for being over the limit, think again! I gave one example where the rescue I volunteer for has two dogs from just such a situation (chubby, healthy dogs). All it takes is one nosy neighbor who doesn't like dogs, and you will have AC knocking at your door.

    As for licensing, you can't MAKE people license their dogs. I haven't seen it do much good anyway, its really 99% about generating revenue for the county. I have seen a license get a lost dog home as the AC officer was able to read the tag and look up his information, but a chip or a ID tag can do the same.
     
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    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

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    I think we should forget the pet number limits and try to change and enforce the real cruelty laws.

    Like making sure dogs have..Food. water. shelter. vet care.

    They can't even handle enforcing those! I don't see why they needed to go around adding a dog census/pet number limit..

    Pet limits IMO do very little to over-all dog care.
    People who don't care about laws don't follow the limits/register their pets (or go to the vet with them to be registered)

    and people who are going to neglect animals will do so.. wether there is 1 or 102385 dogs in the home.

    Does having more dogs make neglect.. easier? I suppose.. yes.
    but it doesn't make it a given ANY MORE than having one dog automatically means the dog is well cared for!
     
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    The kids in my neighborhood can also be a nuisance to neighbor's. They make way more noise than anyone's dogs, run all over the place, block the rode with their bikes (not to mention having to wait to turn onto the street if you get stuck behind the school bus and all the cars waiting to pick kids up. I'm outside trying to work my dogs and all the neighborhood kids are screaming and running all over my neighbor's yard. If I was trying to have a barbeque, I don't know how my guests would enjoy that. There's lots of grade school age kids on my street. LOTS of them! And they all like to hang out at my neighbor's house all day, every day when it's nice. Perhaps people shouldn't be allowed to have multiple kids? Or there needs to be a law limiting how many can be on one property at a time. After all, the more there are the more potential there is for them to annoy someone. And we sure have to buy a lot of candy for Halloween ;)

    Really though dealing with loud, active kids is often just part of living in a neighborhood. Just like dealing with other people's dogs barking, loud cars or motorcycles, before-you're-ready-to-get-out-of-bed-in-the-morning grass cutting (or worse -tree removal!), the occasional construction going on in the neighborhood, you're neighbor's choice of lawn decor, your neighbor not caring what their yard or home looks like, etc, etc, etc. The worst part of living in a neighborhood is that you can't pick you're neighbors. If you don't want to be annoyed by neighbors, move somewhere that the closest neighbors are far enough away to not matter. Otherwise, regardless of how many dogs your town allows, you will be annoyed or inconvenienced by neighbors at some point, in some way. Or I suppose you could move to one of those developments were everything people do is totally controlled by a home owner's association.
     
  18. mutts

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    As long as each pet is getting sufficient vet care, diet, shelter and mental/physical stimulation (for each individual pet) then I don't think it should matter how many pets a person has. There are a lot of other dog/animal related issues to target.
     

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