ohhh Oakley, hahah!
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Nothing, I just think that this thread is out of control....
I have only read about half of it, and what I have seen is just people with the mentality that "they hurt me, so I need to hurt them worse" which is a horrible way to live life. It just seems hard for me to understand that people just seem to want to drag people down like I have seen in this thread.
plus, when the only new post in a while is this thread, I got curious and bored.
I have only read about half of it, and what I have seen is just people with the mentality that "they hurt me, so I need to hurt them worse" which is a horrible way to live life. It just seems hard for me to understand that people just seem to want to drag people down like I have seen in this thread.
plus, when the only new post in a while is this thread, I got curious and bored.
A lot of dogs are dog-aggressive. Personally I don't like dog aggression and wouldn't own a breed with a genetic predisposition to DA, but some people don't mind this. Instinct overcomes training quite often when no human is present to keep the dog under strict control. So knowing this, should these dogs not exist or never be let out in their OWN yard?
I have a securely fenced yard not only to keep my dogs in, but to keep other animals and people out. It's my property, and other people and dogs aren't welcome inside the yard. I wouldn't put it past my dogs to bite. They aren't the type to maul as their main goal in life is to keep things orderly, but I can't tell you that someone could drop right into my yard, threaten my dogs and leave unscathed...
Now if my dogs got out of their yard and harmed something that did nothing to invoke such aggression, I'd admit that there's a major problem. But it's not irresponsible to let your dog be itself in its own yard. IMO.
I have a securely fenced yard not only to keep my dogs in, but to keep other animals and people out. It's my property, and other people and dogs aren't welcome inside the yard. I wouldn't put it past my dogs to bite. They aren't the type to maul as their main goal in life is to keep things orderly, but I can't tell you that someone could drop right into my yard, threaten my dogs and leave unscathed...
Now if my dogs got out of their yard and harmed something that did nothing to invoke such aggression, I'd admit that there's a major problem. But it's not irresponsible to let your dog be itself in its own yard. IMO.
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I don't think I've done a poor job training or socializing them. They just act like dogs.. 
Ok, well I'm kidding of course. I thing I have become a far greater dog owner having a guardian breed then I did with just having Buddy and Banzai. Having Bella has taught me respect about what she is and that I constantly have to be on guard- constantly. I expect the unexpected with every move she makes. I don't worry about her so much as other people and dogs. Her judgment is spot on and I have to respect that.
It's also funny, how people lack judgment. When we take Bella out in public (*gasp* she goes out in public!) she has a vest that she wears that say, please do not pet. You would be amazed at the number of people that say, "oh what a beeeeaaauutiful doggy" all the while rushing her. As a responsible dog owner, I intercept each and every one of these incidents and yeah, they happen often enough. Some people ask if they can pet her, and my response is always, if she approaches you. I would NEVER force her on anyone and she HAS let people pet her and give her treats, on my okay, of course.
I am not going to read the whole thread because you talking about a topic that belongs to serious dog trainers not amatuers. I spent 20 years professionally training dogs for field work. You best not need a leash there, you best have control over your dog no matter how far away he is, his hinny is to hit the ground at a whistle and to face you to see what he is to do next. I enjoy dog training, i think 99 percent of the dogs with dog aggressions, and other issues problem is that they are not being probably trained. I have trained many breeds and have found that the approach is different, but the end result is the same. WHen a dog is completely working with you as a team, you don't need a string to tie you together, you have something better. It takes hard core practice practice practice to get to that point and i dont' want to have anything less. THat is for me and i am willing to clock the hard hours of work to get there with every single one of my dogs for i feel that i am failing them if i don't. So if you are not willing to put in multiple daily sessions, and insist on a manner of conduct 24-7 then please keep your dog leashed. Please do not have him around other dogs. This is what rests on the handler's shoulders and if the dog behaves badly the blame rests there afterall you know your animal better then anyone does and if you take chances then it is YOU that are taking them. I am not going to feel i am risking my animal because i take him out on the street twice a day for an off leash heel session. WE are always in training. That never stops. AS soon as my dog masters one goal we set off on the next.
Shouldn't be left unattended when properly confined in its own house or yard? I see your logic Dizzy, but that's going too far for me.
My dogs aren't DA but I'm still opposed to that line of thinking. It is my house. It's my yard. People and other dogs are separated by my dogs by a 6ft block wall. I should be able to let my dogs in my yard and go into the house if I want to.
Personally I don't do this often because it's potentially dangerous for my dogs to be outside unattended during certain times of year (poisonous critters come out of the ground after a rain, and snakes appear at night) but I'm sorry, I won't restrict the way my dogs live because someone might BREAK INTO my house or backyard.
My dogs live here, strangers don't. I trust my dogs fully to be friendly or at least polite to visiting people and dogs, who we invite into our home. Unwelcome "guests" dropping into the backyard or breaking in? The dogs are the least they have to worry about, wait 'til *I* come after them.
My dogs aren't DA but I'm still opposed to that line of thinking. It is my house. It's my yard. People and other dogs are separated by my dogs by a 6ft block wall. I should be able to let my dogs in my yard and go into the house if I want to.
Personally I don't do this often because it's potentially dangerous for my dogs to be outside unattended during certain times of year (poisonous critters come out of the ground after a rain, and snakes appear at night) but I'm sorry, I won't restrict the way my dogs live because someone might BREAK INTO my house or backyard.
My dogs live here, strangers don't. I trust my dogs fully to be friendly or at least polite to visiting people and dogs, who we invite into our home. Unwelcome "guests" dropping into the backyard or breaking in? The dogs are the least they have to worry about, wait 'til *I* come after them.
You can train a gaurdian breed how to protect.
In HS a friend had a Akita of Japanese lines, that was well trained. His family had an arangement with the electric company to have their meter read on a specific day every month. A new meter reader was unaware of the arrangement and my friend came home from school to find the meter reader on his back in the driveway with the dog mouthing the MRs crotch.
If the MR started to move the dog would apply preasure until the movement stopped. If the dog hadnt been tained how to protect the property the story would have a very bad ending.
In HS a friend had a Akita of Japanese lines, that was well trained. His family had an arangement with the electric company to have their meter read on a specific day every month. A new meter reader was unaware of the arrangement and my friend came home from school to find the meter reader on his back in the driveway with the dog mouthing the MRs crotch.
If the MR started to move the dog would apply preasure until the movement stopped. If the dog hadnt been tained how to protect the property the story would have a very bad ending.
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I can just imagine the look on my dogs faces if another dog dropped or jumped over the fence.:lol-sign: I don't know how a dog would drop over a fence here being that we don't have snow but I am pretty darn sure they would attack the intruder dog because it would be such a shock to them. Dogs or strange people do not come into our yard so it would totally freak them out. I think if the dog backed off he would be okay but if the dog stood his ground and was aggressive it would make my dogs go nuts and I think they would attack.
I just think it is to be expected with any dog if an intruder comes on to their territory it could be a problem. Especially if the dog/person comes in an aggressive manner.
I just think it is to be expected with any dog if an intruder comes on to their territory it could be a problem. Especially if the dog/person comes in an aggressive manner.
The point ISN'T about ANY dogs - people here openly stated - my dog would attack if it came in my yard.
Now. Oakley DID jump over a 6 foot fence or whatever. Noone was expecting that were they? These things DO happen.
He shouldn't have. We're all agreed on that. BUT there is NO excuse for a dog attacking another one - period. If I felt my dog was capable of attacking another dog on my property, I wouldn't want her left unattended. AND I would be trying my hardest to over come it.
Now. Oakley DID jump over a 6 foot fence or whatever. Noone was expecting that were they? These things DO happen.
He shouldn't have. We're all agreed on that. BUT there is NO excuse for a dog attacking another one - period. If I felt my dog was capable of attacking another dog on my property, I wouldn't want her left unattended. AND I would be trying my hardest to over come it.
Some people have dogs that are bred to attack intruders, though. Is it fair to say that there's something wrong with those dogs or their owners because they aren't tolerant of uninvited people/dogs/whatever on their own territory?
I dunno what my dogs would do, attack is a strong word since I tend to think of an attack as one that causes serious harm. I know Dakota would not be a happy camper and I'd expect a fight if the other dog had aggressive tendencies. But I still fail to see how confining a dog with the potential to be aggressive in its own backyard is more irresponsible than walking a dog offlead and allowing it to jump into someone else's yard where there *might* be a dog that would confront an intruder. I'm not trying to bash Dreeza, I'm just using this as an example. Why would the owner of the properly confined dog be to blame for the misfortune of the dog that wasn't under control? That's like blaming an on-leash dog for reacting to an off-leash dog that runs up to it and does something rude.
I'd be devastated if my dogs or cat harmed an a dog or cat that came into my yard, but I'm not going to accept the blame or blame my animals animals for someone else allowing *their* animal to run at large and get into trouble. Nor am I going to prevent my dogs from being dogs. Dogs fight sometimes, it happens. I'll prevent it whenever I can but I'm not going to say it's unacceptable. In dog society it's perfectly acceptable to have scuffles, my dogs have them occasionally. It's just how they communicate sometimes - it's HUMANS who put the stigma on dogs behaving aggressively.
I dunno what my dogs would do, attack is a strong word since I tend to think of an attack as one that causes serious harm. I know Dakota would not be a happy camper and I'd expect a fight if the other dog had aggressive tendencies. But I still fail to see how confining a dog with the potential to be aggressive in its own backyard is more irresponsible than walking a dog offlead and allowing it to jump into someone else's yard where there *might* be a dog that would confront an intruder. I'm not trying to bash Dreeza, I'm just using this as an example. Why would the owner of the properly confined dog be to blame for the misfortune of the dog that wasn't under control? That's like blaming an on-leash dog for reacting to an off-leash dog that runs up to it and does something rude.
I'd be devastated if my dogs or cat harmed an a dog or cat that came into my yard, but I'm not going to accept the blame or blame my animals animals for someone else allowing *their* animal to run at large and get into trouble. Nor am I going to prevent my dogs from being dogs. Dogs fight sometimes, it happens. I'll prevent it whenever I can but I'm not going to say it's unacceptable. In dog society it's perfectly acceptable to have scuffles, my dogs have them occasionally. It's just how they communicate sometimes - it's HUMANS who put the stigma on dogs behaving aggressively.
Dog owners should be responsible for their own dogs no matter what the circumstances. So (in this example) Dreeza was repsonsible for stopping her dog jumping a fence, but if there was a dog in there, YOU are responsible for making sure your dog doesn't attack another.
And dogs should be kept under proper control - own property or not. If a HUGE dog ends up in your yard one day (by jumping the fence or teleport) you are going to want to make sure your dogs aren't DA for their OWN safety.
And like I said before - scuffles/barking whatever... But people on here replying earlier implied serious injury and death. If your dog is capable of that I worry..
And dogs should be kept under proper control - own property or not. If a HUGE dog ends up in your yard one day (by jumping the fence or teleport) you are going to want to make sure your dogs aren't DA for their OWN safety.
And like I said before - scuffles/barking whatever... But people on here replying earlier implied serious injury and death. If your dog is capable of that I worry..
I don't agree with what you're saying, Diz. That's like saying you should keep your home and yard childproofed, on the off-chance that a small child should wander into your fenced yard uninvited and find the bottle of fertilizer you keep in the garden shed. And if that child eats the fertilizer and ends up in the hospital, it's all your fault.
It's not the same at all... A bottle of fertilizer isn't going to actively seek out a child or dog and go for them.
And I am sorry, but if a dog will attack on it's own property, there is nothing to say it won't attack off it either.
And I am not talking woofs and intimidation - these people implied damage would be done.
And I am sorry, but if a dog will attack on it's own property, there is nothing to say it won't attack off it either.
And I am not talking woofs and intimidation - these people implied damage would be done.