Oh gee...that was off topic, wasn't it. Hmmm. Well, how did that conversation evolve from rescue dogs not getting discipline? LOL. Yeah, most people don't put as much training into their dogs as we do or effort. But most of them turn out fairly civilized in spite of it. After all, dogs and humans probably had a convergent evolution and we're just designed to live together. And most of the time, dogs do learn basic manners whether they're trained consciously or not. Of course, there are dogs with issues, otherwise we wouldn't need behavior specialists and the like. But all in all, when you look at all the dogs owned by average dog owners or worse, most dogs turn out pretty nice in spite of it. And I don't care what kind of manners or training a dog has as long as it doesn't directly affect me or my dogs and as long as they're not abused or mistreated.