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I kind of do it with Rocky.

But sometimes I come home from school and I'm just as excited to see him as he is to see me and I forget to ask him to lie down or sit for my affection. :)
 

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I use aspects of it. And I definitely recommend it for some dogs. Even if you don't use it it's good to read and understand it. It's an insightful idea.
 

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I only use a version of it. I don't like the idea of restricting my dogs a lot. I don't make them do anything for my affection or for play time, etc. I do make them do something when I feed them, when I open the door, and have them sit when greeting someone, etc.
 

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BigDog2191 said:
I kind of do it with Rocky.

But sometimes I come home from school and I'm just as excited to see him as he is to see me and I forget to ask him to lie down or sit for my affection. :)

I know! I do that, too!! I just started it this morning with my two males, because, I think they'd benefit from it (and, I'm one for giving the dog a head trip, and making him think he's the head honcho because he gets everything for free :rolleyes: ). I think they like it, to tell you the truth. Like, they're proud of themselves, when they do something good, and I make a huge fuss over them. Silly puppies :rolleyes:

Big, how old is Rocky? He's soooo cute in your sig pic!!
 

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I don't do that specifically. I do ask for manners but that program is primarily or mainly used with dogs who have not had a definite leader in their lives and who have started challenging their owners with acts of aggression or excessive pushiness. Using the sit before putting on a collar is just a nicety, waiting for you to fill his bowl is good manners. I give my dogs affection all the time without thinking two thoughts about it. I let them on my furniture. I hand them treats, sometimes asking for a sit, but not always... I don't care who goes out the door first. But my dogs know that I'm their leader by how I interact with them on a daily basis. They are trained in obedience and are asked to do certain things all day long and their compliance is insisted upon and rewarded lavishly, so there is no argument from them.
 
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I didn't know what you were talking about until I did a google search and realized what it stood for ("nothing in life is free"). To me it sounds like an application of the Premac Principle, which yes I do implement regularly.
 

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Big, sounds like you're doing an awesome job, since that boy is only 11 weeks ;) Keep it up! :D

For some dogs, I believe they are happier with the NILIF training. It sort of makes them feel secure, and they're sure of their place in the "pack" (correct me if I'm wrong on that, but that's what I understand of it). 'Course, not all dogs need it; Lyric for example needs nothing like that. Beethoven on the other hand, is definatley a NILIF dog. Probably mostly due to my own bad leadership skills :rolleyes:
 

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But Purr, Lyric does need something like that. All dogs need to know that someone is keeping the family group safe and running smoothly. Lyric knows that if he wants to have a life, he needs to follow rules. He has lots of rules. I practice his training all the time, not just a certain training session, but with most every way that I interact with him. So, I may be doing something like that subconsciously or inadvertantly. I walk around like I own the place, (which I do. LOL) and I'm kind of bossy, I guess. And he knows that it behoves him to go with the program, my program. It behoves him because he gets his needs met and then some. LOL.
 

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Carrie, that sounds like a very modified version of NILIF. Which every dog should be trained using a modified version of anything; every dog is different, and their training should be "tailored to fit".
 

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NILIF stands for: Nothing In Life Is Free. It's a training program where the dog earns what he wants from you. EX: the dog wants his food. He has to sit, or lie down for it first. He wants to go out, so he sits politley while you put his leash on. The dog also earns your affection, by doing a trick, such as High Five. Basically, you ignore the dog, while it's around you, rather than paying it constant attention; that way, he can earn your attention.

Mine actually like it. I believe Doberluv stated that it's used for dogs with dominance problems. But, it works for us, so we go with it (Beethoven's a little beastie anyway, so he needs to be reminded that I am the leader).
 

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yeah, I taught buster that he has to lie down for his food when you say "what do you do?" and sophie shakes hands, very cute. Daisy speaks.

They all have to site to put their leash's on. But not so much sophie becuse its like backing up a semitrailer just to get her to sit
 

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LOL. I knew a Rotti/Lab mix whose owner would say, "what do we do?" for every command. LOL. If he was to sit or lie down, come, shake...you name it....it was, "What do we do?" I don't know how he did it, but he did. LOL
 

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I suspect it was all in the body language or some subtle sign that the owner gave. LOL. I told that dog to sit once and someone said, "He won't sit if you say sit." And I said, "Oh yeah? Watch." And I held my hand up over his head and sort of pointed to his rear and sure enough, he plunked his rear right down. LOL
 

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