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[savethebulliedbreeds]

You don't know that she is not going to spay or neuter these puppies. Quit speculating. So you are saying that dog bred to be lap dogs are a bad thing? And like I said before just because the dog doesnt have that stupid piece of paper saying that it is "good enough to breed" that a dog is automatically non conforming or unhealthy. Not only that but how many dogs compete and don't do so well? They do good but not as good as other dogs. All those dogs end up getting bred because they earned a CH. in front of their name...for all anyone know it could have taken that one way longer to achieve that then his brother. But according to you they can both be bred because of a CH. Even though one is a little inferior.

 

[Mach1girl]

So the only real way to judge any sort of breeding quality is the conformation ring.

Before I go I noticed this....what a load of crap!

So, you are telling me, because I have a dog who is about 15 lbs larger then standard, and she gets beat in the conformation ring due to a game dog standard dog is competing, she is not show worthy??Even though she is correct to the "T"??

Not all breeds conform 100% to standard as they once did, since purposes have changed.

What if my dog totally accels at weight pull, and becomes a record holder, wins ever event, he is not worthy of breeding because he has a slight sway back??Or an overbite???

I understand that a champion is a speciman of the perfect dog. But no breed has a perfect speciman, and to many, many people, other quality matters, such as drive, stregnth, build, determination, etc.

There IS more to a show dog then conformation.

And to breed for a purpose, from WP to obedience, to agility is a purpose.

Funny, the ones I ever hear knocking agility or obedience are the ones whose dogs cannot handle that task in competition!

 

[Mach1girl]

see ya/......................

 

[lakotasong]

savethebulliedbreeds,

You sure do like to twist words. There are show puppymills as well. A CH alone does not make a dog breeding quality. However, it is part of the equation. There are many other factors. There are plenty of CH dogs that should not be bred.

This thread has been reduced to folks grasping at straws on a topic they have no experience in. Yeesh!

 

[Citrus007]

I always wanted to try agility and obediance, Of course never having had a dog, that makes it hard...

 

[Citrus007]

This thread has been reduced to folks grasping at straws on a topic they have no experience in. Yeesh!

Actually this thread has been reduced by you, who changed the topic of it thereby reducing it. Don't you remember, this was about help.

I'm not saying this person was right to breed, Im not saying this person was wrong. The fact is we don't know.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

I always wanted to try agility and obediance, Of course never having had a dog, that makes it hard...

OMG..........You don't have a dog??

 

[lakotasong]

Mach1,

I've titled dogs in obedience and instructed obedience, agility and conformation handling for years. I still do not feel that breeding solely for agility is ethical. Agility is a performance event that any mutt can do, it is not a sport that proves breeding worth (examples of those sports are Sch, racing, hunting, earthdog, etc).

I had racing sled dogs for years as well. I never stepped foot in the conformation ring with them, yet I had a few breeding quality dogs.

I never said that the conformation ring was the end-all of dog breeding. It does in fact do more harm than good for some working breeds (Siberians, GSD and Labs just to name a few).

However, for purely companion breeds, there really is no other way to prove.

 

[Citrus007]

No.. sad huh? I've wanted one so bad all my life but I have never been allowed until finally this summer I'm probably going to get my first. I am sooo excited.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

This thread has been reduced to folks grasping at straws on a topic they have no experience in. Yeesh!

If i remember rightly, quite a few of us asked you to take your opinions on the OP breeding her dog to PM.
YOU chose to ignore this, which has resulted in a debate!!

 

[lakotasong]

My point isn't the direction of the thread, but the lack of experience and knowledge in some of the comments.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

My point isn't the direction of the thread, but the lack of experience and knowledge in some of the comments.

My point is that there was no need for this thread to come to people grasping at straws (as you put it) b/c it should never have veered in this direction in the 1st place.

 

[Citrus007]

Everyone left, we scared them off. Oops. I hope the pups aare ok. Dum de Dum... This waiting is hard.

 

[JFrick]

Gotta throw my 2 cents in.....

I don't believe that breeding dogs for show is right. All this talk about proper breeding for the perfect dog to show is no more than people being greedy trying to gain a title saying they have the best looking dog, or whatever competition they enter......I'm not saying that showing or competing dogs is wrong, I'm saying that only breeding dogs to obtain "show quality" dogs is wrong. These are the people that spend thousands of dollars so they can get a dog that gets them attention and recognition instead of adopting a homeless dog from a shelter. To these people, the shelter dogs are not good enough for them. The dogs don't know, they don't care about any titles, it's the people.

I hope everything with the delivery goes well.....and I'm now waiting for my bashing.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

Everyone left, we scared them off. Oops. I hope the pups aare ok. Dum de Dum... This waiting is hard.

You think it's hard for you?
I am going to bed in a minute (just past midnight here) and then i am busy in the morning.................So i won't hear any more until tomorrow afternoon

 

[Citrus007]

Lets make bets on the number and sex of the pups. I think there will be three, two girls, one boy.

 

[Squidbert]

My point isn't the direction of the thread, but the lack of experience and knowledge in some of the comments.

You know what? Not everyone knows everything there is to know about anything. They take what they know about a specific issue and form an OPINION on it. What you're stating is an opinion.. not fact! I'm sure many people think it's unethical to breed dogs just for the purpose of prancing them about in a ring to see if they measure up to a certain standard. The point it IT'S AN OPINION!

 

[tessa_s212]

*sigh*

I hope the OP gets the advice she needs.

People.. take it to another thread. Make your own little debate thread. Let this thread to help answer this person's questions.

 

[Citrus007]

You think it's hard for you?
I am going to bed in a minute (just past midnight here) and then i am busy in the morning.................So i won't hear any more until tomorrow afternoon

Aww, Im sorry, its only 4:10 pm here. I ought not even to be on the computer, I have been on it too much but chaz is addicting.

 

[Squidbert]

Lets make bets on the number and sex of the pups. I think there will be three, two girls, one boy.

Ooooh.. fun! Hmmm. lets see... I'll guess 3 as well.. ALL boys!