Nailing Cesar Millan With Tough, Truthful, Appropriate Questions - It's About Time

[Baxter'smybaby]

Why on earth is someone who has admitted that she is here to harass and troll people not banned?

where is this stated?

As for banning--chaz is pretty lenient compared to most forums. If there is indeed a breech of forum rules, then it may be warranted. I would like to remind everyone--it applies to all members--and often many current members have been given a little leeway when it comes to a 'ban", as there are those who teeter around it themselves.

Also-- If you don't enjoy or want to see what someone is posting....try using the ignore function.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Well, lets be honest every village needs a fool.

Seriously, I would be laughing but deep down I worry for those she cares for. :-/ I hope this online persona isn't so cold and cruel in person.

 

[Doberluv]

To tell you the truth, I'd much rather be discussing the video, trying to see if it couldn't be a spring board for some better ways to reach the public, the goal being to put to rest, once and for all....all this dominance/pack theory stuff that CM keeps perpetuating. I think trying to change the dog training, dog owning world for the better is vastly more interesting than squabbling with and paying so much attention to someone so ignorant and who has no such interest.

 

[yoko]

To tell you the truth, I'd much rather be discussing the video, trying to see if it couldn't be a spring board for some better ways to reach the public, the goal being to put to rest, once and for all....all this dominance/pack theory stuff that CM keeps perpetuating. I think trying to change the dog training, dog owning world for the better is vastly more interesting than squabbling and paying so much attention to someone who has no such interest.

The problem is that there isn't much we can do except try to educate people. To many people believe what they see on tv because the tv shows them instant results.

Short of getting a tv show that follows one or two people for a season to show all the work gone into it I don't think most casual dog owners are as open to actual dog ownership education as we would like and instead put waaaaay more merit into a cm like show than they should. Because 'why would they put him on tv if he doesn't know what he is doing?'

 

[rubygirl]

Why on earth is someone who has admitted that she is here to harass and troll people not banned?

I have not harassed anyone. If you don't like what I'm saying then don't respond or ignore me...

 

[rubygirl]

It's corsi, plural for corso is corsi. In your vast experience I would expect you to learn that.

You really leech yourself onto grammar mistakes don't you. I'm sure nothing you have ever posted has had any grammatical errors.

 

[rubygirl]

Yup totally what I said.

Seeing as I only come on forums when my kids are in bed or at school... I don't know how this would be possible.

 

[JessLough]

where is this stated?

As for banning--chaz is pretty lenient compared to most forums. If there is indeed a breech of forum rules, then it may be warranted. I would like to remind everyone--it applies to all members--and often many current members have been given a little leeway when it comes to a 'ban", as there are those who teeter around it themselves.

Also-- If you don't enjoy or want to see what someone is posting....try using the ignore function.

She's admitted to making this account after being banned on her other where she said she enjoys trolling the forums. She personally attacked Sara about a dog she recently lost, when Sara wasn't even in the thread.

Surely at least attacking Sara is a breech of the forum rules.

 

[rubygirl]

You're so funny.

Maybe if you invested in some hot dogs you could figure out to get dogs to do things without kneeing them in the chest. :rofl1:

It's ok, positive reinforcement is just too hard for some people.

You think we don't trust our dogs because we know they would bite you if you smacked them? You couldn't be more wrong. We trust them not to take bullshit like that from someone without standing up for themselves. TBH, you're just proving my point. Not all breeds can or SHOULD take that kind of treatment - but then you'd know that, since you've worked with hundreds of dogs, huh?

Anyhoo, if you smacked or rolled my dog, I would only HOPE she would bite you, or anyone else who treated her like that. One can dream, right?

Every living being has consequences to actions. My dog simply understood that jumping on people had consequences, therefore- she doesn't jump on me.
May I ask (off topic from dogs for a moment) what would one do with a criminal? If they stole something from a store, for example, would you ignore their actions (release them from jail or lift the fine) until they did something correct- then throw them a 10 dollar bill because they did what you wanted them to do?
In nature: if a dog was rude/disruptive to surrounding dogs, what would they do? Ignore the incorrect action until they did something correct and then praise/reward their fellow dog?
You see? While I'm sure there are many dogs that respond well to clicker/treat training there are many dogs that just DONT. Not for serious behavioural issues.
One doesn't need to use food rewards and clicks for positive reinforcement. One can also use touch and praise (verbal) to get what you want from a dog.
I find it very interesting that you judge a persons training methods when you don't even know what these techniques are, and you REFUSE TO ASK WHAT they are!
What has caused this sh*t stirring? Oh I know!--- A difference of opinion. God forbid lol

 

[rubygirl]

She's admitted to making this account after being banned on her other where she said she enjoys trolling the forums. She personally attacked Sara about a dog she recently lost, when Sara wasn't even in the thread.

Surely at least attacking Sara is a breech of the forum rules.

When did I "attack" Sara?

 

[Greenmagick]

Every living being has consequences to actions. My dog simply understood that jumping on people had consequences, therefore- she doesn't jump on me.
May I ask (off topic from dogs for a moment) what would one do with a criminal? If they stole something from a store, for example, would you ignore their actions (release them from jail or lift the fine) until they did something correct- then throw them a 10 dollar bill because they did what you wanted them to do?
In nature: if a dog was rude/disruptive to surrounding dogs, what would they do? Ignore the incorrect action until they did something correct and then praise/reward their fellow dog?
You see? While I'm sure there are many dogs that respond well to clicker/treat training there are many dogs that just DONT. Not for serious behavioural issues.
One doesn't need to use food rewards and clicks for positive reinforcement. One can also use touch and praise (verbal) to get what you want from a dog.
I find it very interesting that you judge a persons training methods when you don't even know what these techniques are, and you REFUSE TO ASK WHAT they are!
What has caused this sh*t stirring? Oh I know!--- A difference of opinion. God forbid lol

This just clearly shows your lack of understanding of the style of training you are slamming.

 

[Emily]

This just clearly shows your lack of understanding of the style of training you are slamming.

Yeah, I don't even... I mean, it's so painfully obvious when somebody has literally NO idea what they're talking about. It's just not even worth discussion at a certain point.

 

[Linds]

To tell you the truth, I'd much rather be discussing the video, trying to see if it couldn't be a spring board for some better ways to reach the public, the goal being to put to rest, once and for all....all this dominance/pack theory stuff that CM keeps perpetuating. I think trying to change the dog training, dog owning world for the better is vastly more interesting than squabbling with and paying so much attention to someone so ignorant and who has no such interest.

You know, I think the better way of approaching it is not to try and debunk dominance training or convince people people who use correction are wrong. Instead, I really believe knocking down and proving wrong stereotypes attached to positive based training would get people much farther. Instead of alienating people and putting them on the defensive which I think happens a lot to CM supporters or even people who use a very positive base and also employ correction at times (Which I have no issue with at all). They are always made out to be the bad guy and feel the need to constantly prove that what they do works. Which, if they are consistent and have good timing it generally will.

I think positive trainers are lumped in with sport and tricks way too much. They are dismissed by the people who say "I just want a good dog." "This is REAL world training" etc.

Mainly, this is me just thinking outloud after reading on FB groups. I constantly read things alluding to clicker training being permissive, cult like, only for weak willed dogs. People being called treat dispensers, dogs unable to be off leash ever, no consequences, rude dogs, not for real life scenarios, needing to starve dogs to make them work etc. You can talk until you're blue in the face why they shouldn't first turn to collar corrections but it's not going to do any good if they don't understand positive training. Then they're set up for failure and it's a self fulfilling prophesy.

End ramble/

 

[rubygirl]

Nor do you understand mine. All I know is I don't have to worry that my dog will turn on me. You seem to think it would be a good thing that your dog bite someone.... pathetic.
Well you DO have a cocker spaniel... aren't the prone to rage syndrome.
My aunt used to breed CKC registered Cockers. Some of the most stupid dogs I have ever had the misfortune of encountering. She was trying to give me one and it was like you couldn't pay me enough.... of course... she believed in treat training too. Hmm.

 

[Emily]

Nor do you understand mine. All I know is I don't have to worry that my dog will turn on me. You seem to think it would be a good thing that your dog bite someone.... pathetic.
Well you DO have a cocker spaniel... aren't the prone to rage syndrome.
My aunt used to breed CKC registered Cockers. Some of the most stupid dogs I have ever had the misfortune of encountering. She was trying to give me one and it was like you couldn't pay me enough.... of course... she believed in treat training too. Hmm.

LMFAO.... For the record, the corgi might bite you, the Cocker mix wouldn't in a million years.

I must have missed the titles and accomplishments your dog has. You'll notice my stupid Cocker has a few - not a ton, but a few. :rofl1: Please, please do reign your excellent training advice on me for my rage filled Cocker. We're really in need of it, any who has met Mackenzy can tell you how unstable she is. Tampon eating menace!

Please stop, please. My sides can't take it. :lol-sign:

 

[rubygirl]

I wasn't making up rage syndrome... lol this is only Wikipedia but it provides a general outline-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_syndrome

 

[Emily]

I wasn't making up rage syndrome... lol this is only Wikipedia but it provides a general outline-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_syndrome

And that has... what? to do with my dog? Who does not have rage syndrome? '


...Are you high again?

For the record, I do not and have not ever worried that my dogs will "turn on me", because they trust me and I trust them, and also, that little nagging fact that the idea that dogs "turn" on their handlers reflects zero knowledge about actual dog behavior. LOL

 

[Linds]

Please, please do reign your excellent training advice on me for my rage filled Cocker. We're really in need of it, any who has met Mackenzy can tell you how unstable she is. Tampon eating menace!

Well, she is a bit of a cougar.

 

[rubygirl]

LMFAO.... For the record, the corgi might bite you, the Cocker mix wouldn't in a million years.

I must have missed the titles and accomplishments your dog has. You'll notice my stupid Cocker has a few - not a ton, but a few. :rofl1: Please, please do reign your excellent training advice on me for my rage filled Cocker. We're really in need of it, any who has met Mackenzy can tell you how unstable she is. Tampon eating menace!

Please stop, please. My sides can't take it. :lol-sign:

My dog has no titles. I don't have time to title my dogs, if I did I guess it might interest me... Bare minimum cgc. Other then that I couldn't care less.

 

[rubygirl]

And that has... what? to do with my dog? Who does not have rage syndrome? '


...Are you high again?

No that wore off while I was sleeping