New York is trying to pass some bill about Pet Dealers and things. Here's an interesting section of the bill:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A11509&sh=t
Thoughts?
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A11509&sh=t
Thoughts?
More than 4 Dogs Makes you a Dealer.
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Considering that one litter of borzois is usually 6 pups but large litters are reported, and it takes up to two years between heat cycles plus at least 2 years to grow up, so having one litter makes me a dealer??? EXCUSE ME? No matter a huge waiting list.. It says 4 intact females. Then states about 9 sold.. ( takes some advil for a headache...) .. .. .. ....
That sounds good , but it needs cleaning up . I've had 4 intact females at a time , but never bred but one at a time with at least 2 years in between . Also with large litters I sold more than 9 in a year . To clarify ..... I've had a 6 month old pup who wouldn't be bred until tested and over 2 yrs. old .... her Mom who was bred 3 times over 8 years , the grandma past breeding , and an " adopted " dog that had one litter.
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First of all it's four intact females, not four dogs total.
Second of all, I'm not so sure on the 9 puppies per year considering any dog breeder, good or bad, cannot control litter size.. So that's really odd to me. Hopefully dog shower-breeders can get special permits? That's how it works in certian parts of California if you want to have more dogs than the limit.
Second of all, I'm not so sure on the 9 puppies per year considering any dog breeder, good or bad, cannot control litter size.. So that's really odd to me. Hopefully dog shower-breeders can get special permits? That's how it works in certian parts of California if you want to have more dogs than the limit.
Not just that, but it's someone with MORE than four intact females, kept specifically for the purpose of breeding. The wording of "sold for profit" also makes me wonder, too, since so many breeders would tell you they don't make any money off selling their puppies.
I'm confused - how is this bill really penalizing people? From what I can tell, if you sell more than nine dogs a year, you are a "pet dealer" and have to purchase a license from the state; if you sell more than nine dogs but less than 25 dogs it's $25/year, or if you sell more than 25 dogs it's $100/yr. That's all I can really see that's really requiring more of people than I'd think they would be doing anyway...
I'm confused - how is this bill really penalizing people? From what I can tell, if you sell more than nine dogs a year, you are a "pet dealer" and have to purchase a license from the state; if you sell more than nine dogs but less than 25 dogs it's $25/year, or if you sell more than 25 dogs it's $100/yr. That's all I can really see that's really requiring more of people than I'd think they would be doing anyway...
Suzzie .... was keeping my line going make me a dealer ??? Believe me if I had added up the costs of all testing done , the registration forms , the care of pups for 8 weeks , vetting , shots for pups and Mom etc etc , I lost money . This is fine for puppy mills and backyard breeders ....You may question me , I have records back to the 60s . I have nothing to hide .
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I haven't read the rest of the bill, but I would be very concerned about falling under the definition of a "dealer" as it has the connotation of being a for profit business. Even if it would only mean a small increase in licensing fees now, what will come later? Unreasonable or unaffordable restrictions and permits?
It is neither unusual or unethical to keep more than 4 intact females at a time. Performance kennels (i.e. sled dogs, hunting dogs, etc.) do this all the time and many have no more than 1 or 2 litters per year. In both of breeds, it takes about 2 years for the dogs to grow up and another year or two for them to start reaching their full potential in harness with the ones maintaining or improving good performance for several years being the ones I want to breed. Even show dogs can take several years to reach full potential. If I were forced to make my spay/neuter decisions too early just to meet a number quota, it would essentially be forced selection of untested dogs and probable elimination of some animals that should be kept in the genepool. Given the small genepools and health defects for many breeds, this could have a very negative effect on the overall genetic health and welfare of a breed. Has anyone really thought of this when writing or generally supporting these laws?
I would much rather see breeding decisions left to breeders and the definition of "dealer" based on the number of puppies actually produced and the purpose for which they were bred.
Debbie
It is neither unusual or unethical to keep more than 4 intact females at a time. Performance kennels (i.e. sled dogs, hunting dogs, etc.) do this all the time and many have no more than 1 or 2 litters per year. In both of breeds, it takes about 2 years for the dogs to grow up and another year or two for them to start reaching their full potential in harness with the ones maintaining or improving good performance for several years being the ones I want to breed. Even show dogs can take several years to reach full potential. If I were forced to make my spay/neuter decisions too early just to meet a number quota, it would essentially be forced selection of untested dogs and probable elimination of some animals that should be kept in the genepool. Given the small genepools and health defects for many breeds, this could have a very negative effect on the overall genetic health and welfare of a breed. Has anyone really thought of this when writing or generally supporting these laws?
I would much rather see breeding decisions left to breeders and the definition of "dealer" based on the number of puppies actually produced and the purpose for which they were bred.
Debbie
