Married in a Church/Counseling
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I respect everyone's opinion here. It's an interesting cross-section of society.
A couple of observations - not singling out anyone in particular in this thread as my observations cross out of this board into other communities:
It's interesting to me how many people rail on "the church" for draconian beliefs, strange rules and hard-line stances on issues yet still want to use the services of "the church" for their own needs (weddings, funerals, group meetings, whatever). I've been in church leadership almost all of my adult life and some of the requests we get are amazing. I can't tell you how often we get a person calling to set up a time "to get my baby done". They apparently don't go to church (except maybe on Christmas and Easter, if that) and they probably won't abide by the public statements they will make at the ceremony, but they want to go through the motions and feel like they've done something.
I have no issue with a person who doesn't attend a particular church wanting to use the facility for their wedding. They just have to abide by the rules that particular organization has set up for such usage (whether Catholic, Protestant, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Independent, Druid, Muslim, Jew or whatever). If you don't like the rules, don't agree and move on to the next facility. Nobody is holding you down and making you agree.
When an Atheist stands up and says "I don't believe in god and you can't make me" he is lauded for his firm beliefs. When a Christian stands up and says "I believe in God and you cannot make me disbelieve" he is called closed-minded.
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A couple of observations - not singling out anyone in particular in this thread as my observations cross out of this board into other communities:
It's interesting to me how many people rail on "the church" for draconian beliefs, strange rules and hard-line stances on issues yet still want to use the services of "the church" for their own needs (weddings, funerals, group meetings, whatever). I've been in church leadership almost all of my adult life and some of the requests we get are amazing. I can't tell you how often we get a person calling to set up a time "to get my baby done". They apparently don't go to church (except maybe on Christmas and Easter, if that) and they probably won't abide by the public statements they will make at the ceremony, but they want to go through the motions and feel like they've done something.
I have no issue with a person who doesn't attend a particular church wanting to use the facility for their wedding. They just have to abide by the rules that particular organization has set up for such usage (whether Catholic, Protestant, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Independent, Druid, Muslim, Jew or whatever). If you don't like the rules, don't agree and move on to the next facility. Nobody is holding you down and making you agree.
When an Atheist stands up and says "I don't believe in god and you can't make me" he is lauded for his firm beliefs. When a Christian stands up and says "I believe in God and you cannot make me disbelieve" he is called closed-minded.
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I agree, Nolu, thus why I'm not a member of any church lol.
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:hail: Good posting Eddie... It's just like in another thread.. I wouldn't go into someone else's home and expect them to change things to accommodate me, nor would I go into someone's house of worship, expecting a service, and demanding that things be done differently. Even if I reeeeally wanted to be married in a certain church, if I didn't see eye-to-eye with their marriage protocols I wouldn't get married there.
I respect everyone's opinion here. It's an interesting cross-section of society.
A couple of observations - not singling out anyone in particular in this thread as my observations cross out of this board into other communities:
It's interesting to me how many people rail on "the church" for draconian beliefs, strange rules and hard-line stances on issues yet still want to use the services of "the church" for their own needs (weddings, funerals, group meetings, whatever). I've been in church leadership almost all of my adult life and some of the requests we get are amazing. I can't tell you how often we get a person calling to set up a time "to get my baby done". They apparently don't go to church (except maybe on Christmas and Easter, if that) and they probably won't abide by the public statements they will make at the ceremony, but they want to go through the motions and feel like they've done something.
I have no issue with a person who doesn't attend a particular church wanting to use the facility for their wedding. They just have to abide by the rules that particular organization has set up for such usage (whether Catholic, Protestant, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Independent, Druid, Muslim, Jew or whatever). If you don't like the rules, don't agree and move on to the next facility. Nobody is holding you down and making you agree.
When an Atheist stands up and says "I don't believe in god and you can't make me" he is lauded for his firm beliefs. When a Christian stands up and says "I believe in God and you cannot make me disbelieve" he is called closed-minded.
Enjoying the discussion - keep it up
A couple of observations - not singling out anyone in particular in this thread as my observations cross out of this board into other communities:
It's interesting to me how many people rail on "the church" for draconian beliefs, strange rules and hard-line stances on issues yet still want to use the services of "the church" for their own needs (weddings, funerals, group meetings, whatever). I've been in church leadership almost all of my adult life and some of the requests we get are amazing. I can't tell you how often we get a person calling to set up a time "to get my baby done". They apparently don't go to church (except maybe on Christmas and Easter, if that) and they probably won't abide by the public statements they will make at the ceremony, but they want to go through the motions and feel like they've done something.
I have no issue with a person who doesn't attend a particular church wanting to use the facility for their wedding. They just have to abide by the rules that particular organization has set up for such usage (whether Catholic, Protestant, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Independent, Druid, Muslim, Jew or whatever). If you don't like the rules, don't agree and move on to the next facility. Nobody is holding you down and making you agree.
When an Atheist stands up and says "I don't believe in god and you can't make me" he is lauded for his firm beliefs. When a Christian stands up and says "I believe in God and you cannot make me disbelieve" he is called closed-minded.
Enjoying the discussion - keep it up
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I respect everyone's opinion here. It's an interesting cross-section of society.
A couple of observations - not singling out anyone in particular in this thread as my observations cross out of this board into other communities:
It's interesting to me how many people rail on "the church" for draconian beliefs, strange rules and hard-line stances on issues yet still want to use the services of "the church" for their own needs (weddings, funerals, group meetings, whatever). I've been in church leadership almost all of my adult life and some of the requests we get are amazing. I can't tell you how often we get a person calling to set up a time "to get my baby done". They apparently don't go to church (except maybe on Christmas and Easter, if that) and they probably won't abide by the public statements they will make at the ceremony, but they want to go through the motions and feel like they've done something.
I have no issue with a person who doesn't attend a particular church wanting to use the facility for their wedding. They just have to abide by the rules that particular organization has set up for such usage (whether Catholic, Protestant, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Independent, Druid, Muslim, Jew or whatever). If you don't like the rules, don't agree and move on to the next facility. Nobody is holding you down and making you agree.
When an Atheist stands up and says "I don't believe in god and you can't make me" he is lauded for his firm beliefs. When a Christian stands up and says "I believe in God and you cannot make me disbelieve" he is called closed-minded.
Enjoying the discussion - keep it up
A couple of observations - not singling out anyone in particular in this thread as my observations cross out of this board into other communities:
It's interesting to me how many people rail on "the church" for draconian beliefs, strange rules and hard-line stances on issues yet still want to use the services of "the church" for their own needs (weddings, funerals, group meetings, whatever). I've been in church leadership almost all of my adult life and some of the requests we get are amazing. I can't tell you how often we get a person calling to set up a time "to get my baby done". They apparently don't go to church (except maybe on Christmas and Easter, if that) and they probably won't abide by the public statements they will make at the ceremony, but they want to go through the motions and feel like they've done something.
I have no issue with a person who doesn't attend a particular church wanting to use the facility for their wedding. They just have to abide by the rules that particular organization has set up for such usage (whether Catholic, Protestant, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Independent, Druid, Muslim, Jew or whatever). If you don't like the rules, don't agree and move on to the next facility. Nobody is holding you down and making you agree.
When an Atheist stands up and says "I don't believe in god and you can't make me" he is lauded for his firm beliefs. When a Christian stands up and says "I believe in God and you cannot make me disbelieve" he is called closed-minded.
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Read up on Constantine, he was the newly converted Christian Roman Emperor (not priest or church leader) that tried to combined church and state as closely as possible.
He set Christian holidays officially and purposefully ON pagan holidays (and turned other pagan rituals and beliefs) in an attempt (at first) to bring everyone together to be of like mind...........then later to try to squelch paganism for good.
Every date of a religious holiday that I can think of started out as an important date for pagans. Just a little FYI in case you weren't aware
I would like to also say............GREAT POST EDDIE
He set Christian holidays officially and purposefully ON pagan holidays (and turned other pagan rituals and beliefs) in an attempt (at first) to bring everyone together to be of like mind...........then later to try to squelch paganism for good.
Every date of a religious holiday that I can think of started out as an important date for pagans. Just a little FYI in case you weren't aware
I would like to also say............GREAT POST EDDIE
And how did we get into this again?! LOL.
I just wanted to add that getting married is such a wonderful thing... you should enjoy every single bit to the t. And if the two of you have to go through a couple of classes.... that should excite you!!
I planned our wedding by myself and it somehow sucked. I chose the location by myself, the decorations, the place for the reception.... I went through the counseling by myself,lol... I even picked up our wedding rings by myself. Dan was stationed in California to that came and got home for a couple days of leave a day and a half before our wedding.... so please, enjoy all the preparations! Enjoy going to a class together and learning what your getting yourself into.
I just wanted to add that getting married is such a wonderful thing... you should enjoy every single bit to the t. And if the two of you have to go through a couple of classes.... that should excite you!!
I planned our wedding by myself and it somehow sucked. I chose the location by myself, the decorations, the place for the reception.... I went through the counseling by myself,lol... I even picked up our wedding rings by myself. Dan was stationed in California to that came and got home for a couple days of leave a day and a half before our wedding.... so please, enjoy all the preparations! Enjoy going to a class together and learning what your getting yourself into.
Christians have not been practicing marriage for a short time.
In the bible, WAY back before there were "Christians" there was marriage. The Jewish people also practiced marriage, I doubt they 'stole it' from pagans. Noah had a wife and sons, check out Genesis 39, the story of Joseph and Potipher's wife and there are many more references to marriage.
And remember, the original Christians WERE Jews who followed Jesus, because well, he was a Jew
The actual pagan CEREMONY may have been "stolen" or borrowed..........but NOT marriage in general.
In the bible, WAY back before there were "Christians" there was marriage. The Jewish people also practiced marriage, I doubt they 'stole it' from pagans. Noah had a wife and sons, check out Genesis 39, the story of Joseph and Potipher's wife and there are many more references to marriage.
And remember, the original Christians WERE Jews who followed Jesus, because well, he was a Jew
The actual pagan CEREMONY may have been "stolen" or borrowed..........but NOT marriage in general.
Thanks everyone for the help!!
I think any Church we choose to get Married in..They are going to have some kind of counseling. It may only be 1 day and not 3..but still
We cant have a outside one, ( winter ) or in anyones house ( to small )...Were not very excited to have one in a hall ( Prolly spend to much money to make it look like a wedding and not some empty hall )
I think were just going to "try" the counseling...worse comes to worse if we don't like it..we can back down...Right ?
Lots of people are telling us it could be a good thing!
Thanks again everyone!!
I think any Church we choose to get Married in..They are going to have some kind of counseling. It may only be 1 day and not 3..but still
We cant have a outside one, ( winter ) or in anyones house ( to small )...Were not very excited to have one in a hall ( Prolly spend to much money to make it look like a wedding and not some empty hall )
I think were just going to "try" the counseling...worse comes to worse if we don't like it..we can back down...Right ?
Lots of people are telling us it could be a good thing!
Thanks again everyone!!