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Just don't come to Ontario because it is law here. All pit bulls and dogs looking like pti bulls must be muzzled when outside. No matter the age, sex, or temperment. Punishment for failing to do so is $10,000 and/or 6 months in jail for the first offense; $60,000 and/or 1 year in jail for second offence and on 3rd offence the dog is removed and put down. This is not my opinion it is the law. If you already own a dog, if you bring a new dog into the province the fines are hugh and the dog will be removed and destroyed. This is the law, pit bulls have been banned. Yet the humane societies are still trying to adopt out these dogs. Why? It is illegal!
2 pit bulls turn on man walking them for a friend[Toronto] police fire several shots before killing dogs in order to free man.
pit bull latches onto owners arm [London, Ontario]
12 year old boy and his mother torn and bleeding from family pit bull [Cambridge]
These are only cases that are recent so like I said either here there are very poor breeding practices or very bad owners or it is the breed. I formed my opinion based on the amount of document attacks in this province alone. I will neve allow a pit bull near my children. If I see one with no muzzle in my town or around any place where my children play; I will report it for the safety of my babies and for the safety of my dog. I looked at the facts and made an educated choice based on them. Anyone can take a video and say anything they choose as well so I think we need to take their facts with a grain of salt. I may not be popular for this opinion, but it is mine and I feel I have proved why enough with the cases documented. I just have to wonder how many cases have not been reported????
2 pit bulls turn on man walking them for a friend[Toronto] police fire several shots before killing dogs in order to free man.
pit bull latches onto owners arm [London, Ontario]
12 year old boy and his mother torn and bleeding from family pit bull [Cambridge]
These are only cases that are recent so like I said either here there are very poor breeding practices or very bad owners or it is the breed. I formed my opinion based on the amount of document attacks in this province alone. I will neve allow a pit bull near my children. If I see one with no muzzle in my town or around any place where my children play; I will report it for the safety of my babies and for the safety of my dog. I looked at the facts and made an educated choice based on them. Anyone can take a video and say anything they choose as well so I think we need to take their facts with a grain of salt. I may not be popular for this opinion, but it is mine and I feel I have proved why enough with the cases documented. I just have to wonder how many cases have not been reported????
Thank you strider for that link. Whoever made that video did an awesome job. It really gets the message across, especially for those of us who don't like to read on & on and are more visual. I hope everyone watches it and posts a link to it in their other forums so it will get around.
And yuckduck there was an attack on a 7 y.o. boy in my neighboring state of GA in May. 200 bites from his head to his feet done by 4 dogs. 2 of them were labs, a doberman, and a bulldog mix (not a "pitbull"). He luckily survived. So just be careful of your views and try to keep an open mind on changing the way you look at all pits.
And yuckduck there was an attack on a 7 y.o. boy in my neighboring state of GA in May. 200 bites from his head to his feet done by 4 dogs. 2 of them were labs, a doberman, and a bulldog mix (not a "pitbull"). He luckily survived. So just be careful of your views and try to keep an open mind on changing the way you look at all pits.
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Again not here in Ontario as I have posted about the attacks hence the ban on the breed. Where is you Ontario, Canada proof that everydog is dangerous. Actually right now they are attempting to pass the bill to ban rottis. Who's next maybe Shepherds? Hey I have no problem muzzling Yukon if it is the law. I also never allow anyone to touch him, it is a dog and who knows what goes through there minds. I made my decisions based on documented cases so don't tell me to have an open mind. I did not get up one morning and decide that pit bulls were bad, I based my thoughts on facts. Like I said maybe the breeding, maybe the owners but the Ontario government sure feels they are dangerous dogs. Enough to ban them, guess what the last known pit bull in Winnipeg died in 2004, they have been banned there since 1988. Several townships have them banned within Ontario for years now it is a province wide ban. Careful what YOU believe in videos? It is very simple to manipulate videos to suit the needs at the time. I have nothing against the breed just don't want it near me. Let them bite someone else's kid. There is a kid here who walks his everyday, no muzzle so I will call by law on Mon morning, I have too protect my kids and I will not take any chances. After your kid is bite and has scars for the rest of her life or is dead, it is to late to protect them. I will protect my kids in any way possible.
Maybe this is something like you are requesting. http://ncrf2004.tripod.com/id10.html
I'm not from Canada so I know that we are not under same influence of how to view dogs. It's just you don't seem open to what we are saying that labs can be just as dangerous or any other breed. I base my thoughts on facts too, especially new ones. I can't agree with BSL no matter where it is.
I'm not from Canada so I know that we are not under same influence of how to view dogs. It's just you don't seem open to what we are saying that labs can be just as dangerous or any other breed. I base my thoughts on facts too, especially new ones. I can't agree with BSL no matter where it is.
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Any and every dog can be dangerous if put in the right situation to be. I ain't stupid here. Just going off the documented cases that is all. The link you gave is a list of fatal dog attacks, that is dogs killing dogs but at the bottom it says they are not documented cases so unfortunately it is hard to be sure about them. I am just saying I have formed my opinion based on documented facts. I am not comfortable around pit bulls. My mother in law has a fear of big dogs including our dog. What you want me to tell her to have an open mind and not be scared. It does not work that way. The facts here in Ontario speak well enough on there own, the breed was BANNED!
So no one's opinion here really matters because they have been banned.
I will not allow my babies to be put in danger and by telling me to just have an open mind is like saying go ahead take a chance. Sorry I can't and I won't. My kids are way to important to me, more so than a dangerous dog that has been banned. It is not just my opinion here it is the opinion of many hence they were banned. I really don't know how else to make you understand that I am not comfortable having a breed of dog that has been deemed dangerous around my babies. I can't see them banning a breed for no reason. The documented cases speak well enough for themselves. Maybe your pit bulls have more responsible breeding, more reponsible owners, this I don't know but here they are a danger. The reported attacks here in Ontario that are mentioned in my previous posts all took place in July 2005. Really can't get much newer facts than that. Yesterday a 2 year old baby was attacked at the park from a pit bull that was not muzzled and was walking nicely on his leash, all of a sudden snapped. The owner later said, "I don't know why he did that, he was always so gentle before." The dog is sceduled to be destroyed Mon.
So no one's opinion here really matters because they have been banned.
I will not allow my babies to be put in danger and by telling me to just have an open mind is like saying go ahead take a chance. Sorry I can't and I won't. My kids are way to important to me, more so than a dangerous dog that has been banned. It is not just my opinion here it is the opinion of many hence they were banned. I really don't know how else to make you understand that I am not comfortable having a breed of dog that has been deemed dangerous around my babies. I can't see them banning a breed for no reason. The documented cases speak well enough for themselves. Maybe your pit bulls have more responsible breeding, more reponsible owners, this I don't know but here they are a danger. The reported attacks here in Ontario that are mentioned in my previous posts all took place in July 2005. Really can't get much newer facts than that. Yesterday a 2 year old baby was attacked at the park from a pit bull that was not muzzled and was walking nicely on his leash, all of a sudden snapped. The owner later said, "I don't know why he did that, he was always so gentle before." The dog is sceduled to be destroyed Mon.
I thought it was for people too. That part in the middle where it stated like; "Roaming dogs kill child, Chained dog attacked child", not just dog on dog attacks. The part at the bottom says, 'there is no national recording system for the documentation of fatal dog bites in Canada. this list appears to be the only recording of fatalities available for Canada, and may be considered a fair representation of the types of fatal dog attacks that have occurred in Canada over the last 2 decades.", not that these aren't documented cases. None of those cases were pit bulls anyway.
I never said anything to the like of let your kids play with dogs you are uncomfortable around! Media hype can play a big role in influence, like the tabloids for the celebrities. What the media should be doing is trying to disprove the current perception that severe and fatal attacks is a phenomena exclusive to Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. That ban will probably revised soon because it doesn't fix the actual problem which is the owners making them dangerous, not the breed itself.
I never said anything to the like of let your kids play with dogs you are uncomfortable around! Media hype can play a big role in influence, like the tabloids for the celebrities. What the media should be doing is trying to disprove the current perception that severe and fatal attacks is a phenomena exclusive to Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. That ban will probably revised soon because it doesn't fix the actual problem which is the owners making them dangerous, not the breed itself.
i think I've found another one for you to view.
http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/goeree.html
http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/goeree.html
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I believe that is put out by the opposition. There are two sides to every story. I do not say condem the dogs, I just say be responsible and also in some case parents of these kids need a head shaking too. What the hell is a momma doing allowing her baby to be in a postition to be bite? In some cases not all. Like the one where the pit bull attacked a toddler who was playing in its dish while it was trying to eat. No the dog should not have bitten but the kid should never have been in that position either. I had problems with Yukon biting me when I picked his dish up, now he has learned that is unacceptable behaviour, but never would my kids be near that dish when he is eating. Parents gotta use the nogin too. I just say for me I am uncomfortable with pit bulls, honest truth I am uncomfortable around Dobe's and Rotti's too. I also believe laws are put in place for a reason and they should be followed. They are attempting to ban GSD's in BC right now, that oughta be fun considering 90% of the policing dogs are GSD's. So the government can not always be reliable, however based on what I have seen and I know a lady here who use to breed pits, back yard breeder and swore they were well breed. Well she put several dogs together and who breed with who, no one knows.
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Not all laws are intelligent laws. I still feel that it is and was unnecessary to ban the pit bull breeds here. It would have been much better to make people [owners/breeders] for their dogs. Pass an IQ test or some sort of test to own these types of dogs. Unfortunately here, the dogs are not breed responsibly and as a result we end up with these aggressive/dangerous dogs. Then throw in the idiot people that set themselves up for problems and you have the ban. It is not fair to punish responsible owners for the irresponsible ones. I am not some kind of ogar who is saying kill them all. That is he furthest thing from my mind. Yes I am uncomfortable with those dogs, some people are uncomfortable with my dog. Poor older lady going to get her mail, **** near jumped into the street to get away from a Yukon who was sitting and under a firm hold to be sure he would never reach the woman because she was obviously frieghtened. People need to respect other people's fears even if you think it is dumb or rediculous. Most of you here on the forum are probably responsible owners so you can't understand what I mean. Here in Ontario, even with the bylaws, people just open the door and let their dogs go. They don't seem to care or realize that is not a safe thing to do at all. People don't restrain their dogs, if someone is scared they still allow them to jump all over them. That is where all this banning and uncomfortableness comes from. If I meet a well controlled dog then I would have no problems. The pit bull here in my town is abit of a nutso, jumping everywhere snapping. Has already bite two different people and the person walking it is an 8 year old boy. How do his parents expect the kid to control the dog? He can't so if the dog at least wore a muzzle it would illiminate some of the problems and fears. After all it is the law here.
i live in ontario yuckaduck, this week i have so far seen two sweet pits without muzzles, from my understanding it was up to the owners if they wwanted to put a muzzlel on their dog or not but it is reccomended and be more there fault if the pit attcks someone
not evryone in ontario is like yuckaduck and isnt comfortable around t hem and find them dangerous, i have never owned one but been around bunches and love them. i think they are just as guilty as the lab, but since pits look meaner and tougher, people get more scared and more stories about them come out. i was at the park the other day a purebred lab bit a unknown lil boy hard, the owner said he never did that before, the mother of the boy said "well, they are usually good dogs, he must just be hot or something"..now bet my word if it was that same situation but with the pit instaead of the lab, it would be in the paper today, or the mother of the boy, would have been much angrier
not evryone in ontario is like yuckaduck and isnt comfortable around t hem and find them dangerous, i have never owned one but been around bunches and love them. i think they are just as guilty as the lab, but since pits look meaner and tougher, people get more scared and more stories about them come out. i was at the park the other day a purebred lab bit a unknown lil boy hard, the owner said he never did that before, the mother of the boy said "well, they are usually good dogs, he must just be hot or something"..now bet my word if it was that same situation but with the pit instaead of the lab, it would be in the paper today, or the mother of the boy, would have been much angrier
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Nope it is law, must be muzzled whenever outside of the home. $30,000 fine for 1st offence, $60,000 for 2nd offence and 3rd offence is imediate removel and dog is imediately destroyed. No matter the age of the dog, even if it is fenced and tied in its own yard, must be muzzled. You are probably right about the lab but that is not the fault of me and I have owned many labs never had a problem. Owned one pit and after 3 weeks I took it to the humane society and they put it down because it was crazy. It was biting and attacking for no reason just all of a sudden went nutso. My labs never did that. Guess I have been lucky with most of my dogs but that pit was a whole different thing, and that was before all this hipe about banning them. Each to their own though and it was only my opinion and you are welcome to feel as you wish too. No hard feelings we are all entitled to our opinions.
my friends have owned many pits never no problems,i have a friend with a lab attacked some1 and got pts. think what u like i just hope u dont go tell all ur friends u feel unsafe around them if u never even owned one and are agrreeing that labs are just as much at fault as pits. the more ppl against pits the worst it gets for them
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Guess you did not read my post I did own one and it was nutso. It bite several people and after 3 weeks was taken to the humane society to be temperment tested and they put it to sleep as a dangerous dog. If my friends have a pit bull and two of them do, they don't bring them here and I don't go there. It is that simple. My opinion is my opinion and everybody is entitled to there own thoughts. I am not against pit bulls I just feel uncomfortable around them and don't wish to have any around me. I don't chant death to pits or anything here. I also believe the ban is a bad idea I think it would be much better to force owners to be responsible and if they have a dog that is not safe then muzzle it. I do not think it is fair to force everyone to muzzle but it is the law and so be it. I also think the parents of the 8 year old who walks his pit bull here in our town should be shot for allowing others to be in danger because the poor kid gets dragged everywhere. They are attempting to force all large breed dogs to be muzzled in public. This has not passed through yet but they are pushing for it. If this law passes than Yukon will require a muzzle in public and yes I will muzzle him if it is the law. I ain't no law breaker! That is all that I think. Please don't think I am against the breed, I am not. I signed the petition to try and not have them banned here because I don't think it is a fair solution even if I don't really feel safe near one. I just think owners should be forced to be responsible and take steps to ensure a bite never happens.
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That is a very true statement, the dogs are not vicious and I believe that. I believe it is the owners who make them vicious either with lack of training or maybe too much bad training and possibly bad breeding. I am uncomfortable with the breed but it is not the dogs fault and I am in full agreement with that.
There's a pit mix down at our park sometimes. Gosh he's annoying. The owners did a good thing and rescued him but he's aggressive. I'm scared to take my new pup down there when she's older. I guess, some are nice, and others not. It depends what the owners teach it.
Saying i heard yesterday- There are NO stupid german shepherds. Its the owners that make them stupid.
Saying i heard yesterday- There are NO stupid german shepherds. Its the owners that make them stupid.