Mandy's puppies - 10 days old!

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I'm honestly curious as to why you'd chose to breed a toy breed bitch under the age of 2? Most small breeds have lifespans of 12+ years, so there is plenty of time in their lives to breed them. Why not wait until they've matured a bit more?
 

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Oh - and Sophie! The due date was tentative at best. I just like people to know what our tentative plans are, so they can kind of know what to expect.
This doesn't make any sense. If Sophie is going to have her first litter in Mid-January, it means that you are planning on breeding her in November... is it "tentative" based on when she has her first heat? So if she had her first heat in October instead, you'd breed her then?

Just wow. Tucker is 8 months old and is VERY much still a puppy. I couldn't even imagine breeding him at this age, especially if he was a bitch.
 

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I just check the first page out with the pups...I just wanted to say those are great looking puppies!!! I wish i could have one.
 

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I'm honestly curious as to why you'd chose to breed a toy breed bitch under the age of 2? Most small breeds have lifespans of 12+ years, so there is plenty of time in their lives to breed them. Why not wait until they've matured a bit more?
Many of the breeders that I know that breed young do so because certain health issues won't come to light till later on. Take CERF testing.. even a dog who will be affected later in life often CERFs clear when under 2-3.
 
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Many of the breeders that I know that breed young do so because certain health issues won't come to light till later on. Take CERF testing.. even a dog who will be affected later in life often CERFs clear when under 2-3.
Well, thats just pointless and a waste of money. There is no point in testing for something when they're not even old enough to show anything. Doesn't make sense at all. Why test at all then? lol. I think more buyers need to educate themselves so they dont get duped!
 

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Well, thats just pointless and a waste of money. There is no point in testing for something when they're not even old enough to show anything. Doesn't make sense at all. Why test at all then? lol. I think more buyers need to educate themselves so they dont get duped!
Not a waste of money. It's skeazy on purpose. You are testing when you know the dogs will clear so you can claim healthy eye normal dogs. It's planned that way.. as some of them do have issues in their lines they are trying to hide.
 

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All questions that have been asked before and never answered, guys. I don't think we'll get a straight answer ever, to be quite honest.

Think of it this way:
1. Bitches younger than two years being bred.
2. No showing - no Confo, no Sports, no Working. No titles.
3. Very little verifiable health testing.
4. They appear to be breeding for color as their main goal.
5. Associates with other breeders that also have no titles, very little health testing, and appear to be breeding for color as their main goal.
6. Not a member of any breed club.
7. Deposits on puppies taken through PayPal.
8. 2 year health guarantee.

Something to think about.
 

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I'm not sure what breed you're familiar with, Zhucca, but OFA allows dogs to be patella tested at 1 year of age and CERF at any age (our opthamologist recommends every 2 years). Of course PRA (cord 1) is genetic and detectable at any age, but it's easiest to swab after 3 weeks since there's more saliva.

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I would recommend that you change CERF doc's. The rep. breeders that I know, some of them do a baseline CERF at 7 1/2 wks. However, ALL breeding stock is CERF'd at least once a year and some of them CERF every six months.

As a breeder, my non breeding dogs get CERF every couple of years as they are related to my breeding dogs (of course that is only my dogs that are over 7 yrs of age too, younger their done s/n or not more often). I don't breed very often, one litter about every 2-3 years (not per bitch either but 1 litter period, I breed for myself first and not to fill puppy orders). However I prefer that the bitch/dog that is being bred is CERF'd within 6 months of the breeding.

I have met alot of CERF docs over the years and NONE of them have ever recommend testing every 2 yrs unless it is non breeding...................
 

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7. Deposits on puppies taken through PayPal.
I don't want to join in any debate or anything and keep in mind I don't know anything about breeding dogs. But, why is payment through PayPal a bad thing? I just don't understand how that's different from any other form of payment, money is money.
 

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I don't want to join in any debate or anything and keep in mind I don't know anything about breeding dogs. But, why is payment through PayPal a bad thing? I just don't understand how that's different from any other form of payment, money is money.
I think its because the big paypal button means you can put a deposit on a pup without talking to the breeder/being approved. many breeders do use paypal, but you get the info and send your deposit and filling out ur application, talking etc.. its not on their website usually
 

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I think its because the big paypal button means you can put a deposit on a pup without talking to the breeder/being approved. many breeders do use paypal, but you get the info and send your deposit and filling out ur application, talking etc.. its not on their website usually
Ah I see. I would just assume that the button is there as a convenience to those that have talked to her already. Or maybe some people just want to go ahead and put down a deposit before anyone else, and then they go find out if the pup's actually available for them? You could always just refund the deposit if they're not approved.
 

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If you have never shown dogs, how do you know what to look for in a pup? I think my dogs are gorgeous, one is absolutely perfect, to standard and a show winner. The other is a mutt from the side of the road. I think they are equally stunning, it is called bias.

You cannot decide alone that your dogs are show quality. You need a few outside experts to decide that. I find it very unethical that you have sold a puppy as a show prospect when you have no idea what to look for.
 

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I have stayed out of this thus far, but I would like to say that I have to agree with you, puppydog.

If someone is paying for a show prospect (which is alot of money in doxies, somewhere upwards of 1,500.00) then they should get what they're paying for.

It's not fair to say a dog has potential if you don't know if the parents or grandparents even have show potential.

Why would you even claim that? That is upsetting.
 

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Here are pictures at 4.5 weeks (9-16-09)

Ally:

<img src="http://hcdoxies.com/Pictures/Mandy/8-15-09/9-16-09/ally1.jpg">

Daphne:

<img src="http://hcdoxies.com/Pictures/Mandy/8-15-09/9-16-09/daphne1.jpg">

<img src="http://hcdoxies.com/Pictures/Mandy/8-15-09/9-16-09/daphne2.jpg">

Duke:

<img src="http://hcdoxies.com/Pictures/Mandy/8-15-09/9-16-09/duke1.jpg">


All of the puppies are sold, just sharing pictures :)
 

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Do I have a big PayPal button on my site? I must have missed it!

Or are you talking about the small fonted www.paypal.com?

I think my final say on this matter is: Yup, I do things a bit differently than some people like. I can't please everyone. I do, however, health test (CERF, PRA and patellas), microchip (with myself listed as the secondary contact), and do a whole lot more that clearly shows how much I care about my dogs and puppies AND my new owners!

I am looking forward to getting into showing and I can't wait to show off pictures from that adventure!
 
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Do I have a big PayPal button on my site? I must have missed it!

Or are you talking about the small fonted www.paypal.com?

I think my final say on this matter is: Yup, I do things a bit differently than some people like. I can't please everyone. I do, however, health test (CERF, PRA and patellas), microchip (with myself listed as the secondary contact), and do a whole lot more that clearly shows how much I care about my dogs and puppies AND my new owners!

I am looking forward to getting into showing and I can't wait to show off pictures from that adventure!
Please do not say this if you cannot back it up.

You told us puppies were available. We asked for support to which you claimed, you denied.

Simple as that. Unless I missed it, I stayed out for a while.

The puppies are adorable, yes. Show quality? I have no idea.
 

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Technically, she can say whatever she wants. It does not make it true.

I could say the sky is green and grass is blue, but that does not mean that I am right.

IMHO there's a big difference between doing things a little differently and what this woman does.

This is a perfect example of why people need to research their breeder. I mean, imagine that you have no idea what to look for in a puppy. All you know is that you want to show.

Then, you stumble upon this lady. You get duped. End of story.

I hope whoever reads this takes a good lesson.

And Molly- no one says you don't care. I believe that you feel you are doing the best you can. I don't think you're a bad person.

But the fact is that you are not being truthful on your dogs. You can't say they are show quality when you have never stepped foot inside of a show ring.

That is why people get upset. It's not that you do things differently, it's that you're saying your dogs are one thing that they obviously aren't.

Good luck in the show ring. I bet you'll learn alot. Hopefully, once you do start showing (if you're really going to do it) you'll meet people who will set you straight that you can relate to.

I think that things that you really should be paying attention to are going in one ear and out the other because of the way that people have come across on this site.
 

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In cases like this , I would never buy a dog on line without visiting and seeing proof of certification and the whole situation . Also , I don't believe in breeding before 2 yrs old .
 

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