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  1. StephyMei1112

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    The dog is an equal - but I've had alot of bfs...
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    No need to get up in arms everyone - my hands are full with the one kuvasz right now as it is. I'm just speculating and wondering for the future - very far into the years kinda future.

    Just wanted abit more info about Malinois in general and a deeper understanding of them. I know they are hyper, should have a on/off switch, have drives that can be hard to manage if you don't know how, can develop aggression issues easily, need huge amounts of exercise daily, requires creative training approaches and fresh methods to keep them interested, does well at schutzhund/obedience/agility/nose work etc and seriously needs a JOB. Am I missing anything?
     
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    I think it would be more helpful if you said what you would be looking for in a dog, what things are unacceptable and what sort of activities you would enjoy. A lot of what you have just listed are sort of generic traits for a Mal...or a lot of other active herding breeds. What matters more is what made you consider a Mal? What are you hoping for if you decide to get one? Do you have any concerns?
     
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    I currently am a part of a German Shepherd group, and they are described most commonly as "Lightweight Shepherds on Crack"... Probably not accurate, but I've heard it so many times that I'd think I'll share it. :rolleyes: I met one Malinois, and it was really hyper and didn't seem to have an off switch. Sure they should, but this one sure didn't.

    I personally think you hit the nail on the head with the description, but of course, I'm no Mal expert.
     
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    Maliraptor Bite me.

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    A Malinois reality is not our own. :)

    VERY FEW (10% MAYBE?) have an off switch.
     
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    Mine have a "standby mode"... that's about it :D
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Bwahahahahaha.

    For the record, Dutch Shepherds seem to be the same way. Indy will lay down and chew a bone or stare at me, and sometimes she sleeps, but if I shift even slightly, she's up and coming over to put her head in my lap. :p
     
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    Is this what most people consider "no off switch"?
     
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    Not me, that's an off switch. :p

    We have 3 with off switches, two are half brothers. It's not a coincidence.
     
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    You guys all need to continue making these mal threads so that I can keep my resolve of "never having a mal, it would make me miserable"
    The above statement being a prime example of why I would be miserable :p
     
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    Exercise isn't a problem - I'm very outdoorsy and can keep up with hyperness lol. I wanted a dog that would be suitable for schutzhund, agility, and possibly French ring/Rally-O as well. If I did get one I'd definitely keep him really really occupied - the physical compactness and abundance of energy made me think of a Mali over a GSD. Anyways - I'm not terribly sure at all and this is all just pure speculation and curiosity at this point; next dog is one and a half to two years into the future at least. So we shall see.

    I've met a handful...they're fast as lightning, incredibly quick reflexed, agile, and when in tune with their handlers...pretty spectacular.


     
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    I always get confused when people say their dog 'has no off' switch. I think it get thrown around a lot and people mean different things by it. If going by the above criteria then Mia 'has no off switch', even though I think she does. If she's lying still and I so much as move, squeak a toy, or make like I'm going to say something, she's up in a flash, tearing around the room screaming. It takes about a split second to get her from completely at rest to mach10 screaming papillon. But I don't think that means she doesn't have an off switch. She just 'turns on' (for lack of a better word) easily.

    When I think of 'no off switch' I think of the dog that paces or spins or is doing something all the time. Am I just using that word totally wrong?
     
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    When I think no off switch I think of the video Adrianne posted of Backup circling. The inability to quiet their body or mind.

    The Koolies have great off switches even demon child. But both of them will lay, stare and jump up at the first sign of movement.
     
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    Nothing to add to this thread other than when I think of "no off switch" I also think of a dog who rarely lays down or sits still - spinning, pacing, etc.

    Jackson is not quite as "on" as Mia, but kind of close. He can sleep all morning if I'm just sitting on my computer until noon or so, but if I walk into the kitchen, he gets up and follows me. He's not like right up my butt, but likes to keep an eye. Or he could be sleeping and I could jump up and say "let's run!" and he will, LOL... but he has a very nice off switch, I think.
     
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    That is my definition as well. For a while Juno didn't have an off switch - she wasn't good at lying down and relaxing on her own, she would pace the house whining if she didn't have something to DO. Nowadays, if she's lying down and chewing on a toy, I consider her "off" even though she's still ready to get up and go (which she always is, even if she's passed out in a deep sleep).

    But, the only thing I know about mals, is that I don't want one :p
     
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    I agree the no off switch thing seems to mean different things to different people. My dogs do a lot of pacing, circling obsessive behavior when out in the fenced yard. When indoors though, they can and do chill out. But they're up and ready if they think you're about to let them outside or feed them or do something fun. I consider them to have off switches and be pretty easy in the house. As mentioned earlier, they turn on easily. The Belgians anyway, Savvy is a bit more hyper but even he can settle down as long as he's getting enough exercise and interaction.
     
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    I wonder if an "off switch" can be trained into most Mals. I know it would be impossible with some no matter what, but one of Michael Ellis' instructors, Lindsey Sommer, seems to specialize in it. This is taken from their website..."Lindsey believes strongly in the value of training dogs to be both outstanding performers on the trial field as well as functional family members."

    Pan has now turned into an amazing apartment-dwelling Mal, but she was horrible and not much fun as a puppy, and I do a lot with her every day. And, oh yeah, have we mentioned you can't be scared of getting bit? ;)

    She is always ready for action though, you never know when a "snake" might need killing.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-s9Vw3IpEI
     
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    Yea there are always exceptions to the rules; Aeri generally has a fabulous off switch and was an easy puppy - way moreso than either of my cattle dog mixes for sure! Of course all of my dogs have good off switches so I must be doing *something* right. LOL
     
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    Foster pup has a great off switch too and is a pretty easy puppy. To me anyway. He's wild and never quits when playing, paces the fences line when he's excited but happily lays around the house and grooming shop when nothing is going on. And he sleeps in :)
     
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    Michael Ellis also says "While training an off switch is important (by never playing in the house) it will not work on all malinois."

    French Ring and Rally-O are extremely different sports to aspire for.

    Backup has a horrible off-switch, we've been trying to train it in for a long time and frankly it's not successful.

    He can sleep at night nicely but the rest of the day.... Well... I have to put him in a down stay to get ANY peace. He will not, absolutely will not, offer a chill out and relax.

    This is no exaggeration. This goes from this pacing and panting to occasionally dropping the toy, screaming, frantically attacking it and resuming the video. Honestly the most annoying part of Backup is the panting, that sound drives me up the walls some days.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5n_pxuT_kg

    Needless to say this dog spends a fair amount of time in down stays, in crates, or in the yard but if left alone in the yard he'll bark and spin doing wall turns off the glass door.

    See puppy version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FldK2wr5U1g (except now he knows how to spin and deliver a flyball turn off our doors, yay)

    Sloan is actually more annoying than Backup in some ways, Backup can pace at a distance, Sloan can lay down and chew a bone but 90% of the time she's in your face with a toy for fetch.

    Sloan however no long is crated at night because this became way too annoying.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqYAxSpqvvI

    Of course Malinois can vary and they can get better with age, it will also be effected by what you want from your dogs, what your priorities are.

    If these excite you and don't annoy you then think about it, but if these make you at all uncomfortable then I'd walk away.

    The mals in the yard
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDv2XsmQl98

    The mals in the house
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_qJ55n4-f4

    Sloan needs high walls
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLvBO_OGI94

    Backup is annoying, again this is his version of off switch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-R_A8g8cg

    Oh look, it's backup pacing again, this time with trash in his mouth. He never gets in the trash but if it's on the ground it's free game as a toy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kd0eAZo1w8

    I made an attempt to take a bath, Backup decided it was time to play
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEkba4qNI9E

    Nothing stops them
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1rxRCkSObQ

    For a long time we used what we called "doggy jail" when we wanted to chill and watch tv
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkdLzd9aT2M

    Sloan isn't video'd as much as Backup for silly things but she's still similar, just a quieter busy who is much easy to focus and work
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qZtfl2ODtU

    Backup at work "collecting", he like many belgians has an obsessive oral fixation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGfsDv-x_ug

    Sloan doesn't like to OUT, it's the bane of her existence
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkD7mQ1iWlQ

    Sloan is a PITA too (She keeps us laughing though :) )
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZf3uUs64LM

    She's persistent
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyvc_4af_u0

    A normal Backup scene
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_pK5dNvcoM

    Again... normal Backup
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pku6nvDEVtA

    Sloan V the broom
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qkHcTNwHuE

    Sloan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZc3rWtmZM

    Backup coming home
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nw19QoTOrk

    Sloan hates wipers
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XedVeDGLS0w

    And that should hold anyone over. ;)
     
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    I love the video of Backup jumping over Shamoo on the couch. Moo is a saint.
     

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