Luna's First Fight

[adojrts]

Oh seriously? Want to start an e-collar debate too? I would MUCH rather have an e-collar as a "just in case" if my dogs were to decide to flip me the bird vs. having nothing and having them run off. They don't wear them when out at the field where I take them anymore, but I do put them on them if they go to the beach, for the "just in case" factor. I can post videos of my dogs recall if you'd like; they're all CGC's (even the 8 month old pup) and one is TDI certified. So yeah, I'm super lazy about their obedience and exercise, yup, that's me!

Actually no, not interested in a debate on e collars. I tend to be picky about who and what their qualifications are to learn from. If you had OTCH's or similiar or mulitiple National or World Championships to your credit then I would be all ears. Other than that, any debate with you would be a waste of my time

 

[Blue_Dog]

So taking a dog to the dog park is lazy, but using an ecollar in place of a recall isn't? Ok then. Oh wait this:

So other blanket statements that paint a very complicated, situational and highly debatable subject as black and white aren't ok unless you make them? Good to know.

Quoted for truth.

Not all dog parks are the same, I don't know why those that are against them, seem to think differently. Not all dogs, people and dog parks are created equally. In my city there is one dog park, just one and it's on the other side of city from me. I'm lucky that Sam isn't a high energy dog, but everyone else around here either has to make the trip if they want their dogs to get some off leash time, ignore their dogs needs or risk fines. The choices here for legal activity with a dog are slim: a walk on a sidewalk (there are some small trails you can walk through, but not much) or go to the dog park. Most people's backyards aren't big enough for a full romp and the leash limit here is 6'. On the flip side I could take the chance of getting the fines for letting my dog exercise elsewhere. That's a fine for no leash and for being 'out of control' or a fine for using a long line.

Dog park doesn't equal laziness, to think that is absurd. Or perhaps you guys just did it wrong when you tried? If you don't want to use dog parks, then fine and share your opinions we don't mind, it's good for everyone. But there's no need to harp on those that do use them like they sprang from hell or something.

 

[Romy]

here you are not allowed to unleash your dogs in a public park... idiots still do but if they aren't on your property or in a designated dog park... they MUST be on leash.

we tried a basketball court and he tore his feet open all the time. ruined a few pairs of booties that I tried to protect his feet.

Soccer fields and baseball fields... again public and NO OFF LEASH DOGS. but there are always people who think the rules don't apply to them.

You guys are lucky. In Seattle the law is NO DOGS PERIOD, $180 fine, on public ball fields, tennis courts, and children's playgrounds. When I take Aurelia to the park I can have my service dog in uniform working with me, but he doesn't get to play. And my other dog must stay home. It's dumb and sad.

 

[NicoleLJ]

Here ya go. Sorry it is only a few seconds but it was hard filming with the camera, watching her from such a distance and remembering to press the button. It gives the generalized idea though.

And here are some pictures from todays fun.

The funny part from today is Luna decided to walk into the small rapids and take a dump. lol I have never seen a dog walk into water that is up to their chest and then take a dump and then race around like it was something to celebrate. Doug and I were laughing so hard that we had tears rolling down our faces.

 

[smeagle]

IMO like anything whether you choose to use a dog park comes down to personal choice and experience.

I've had terrible experiences at dog parks over the years (including having my young Siberian mauled by a Rotty, he recovered physically, but the mental damage was lasting) so I simply don't go to them - at all. If it comes up in a discussion I explain my side of it, in my opinion, dog parks ARE risky and they are accidents waiting to happen especially when they are small fenced areas, chucking a group of highly aroused dogs together in one small space is always going to be a recipe for disaster.

I never run my dogs with dogs I don't know so dog parks will never be an option for me.

I can understand if someone has only ever had great experiences at dog parks how they can't see how they could be bad or risky. I do talk to people in my obedience classes about 'dog park safety' so if they choose to use them, once knowing the risks, they use them safely and responsibly (though at the end of the day - you can be the model responsible owner at a dog park but you can't control what others do with their dogs, which is why I don't use them).

Personally nothing tires my dogs out more than a good high energy training session which is lucky for them as I don't have time to exercise them for hours each day. LOL.


ETA: And for the record I don't and never have owned a bull breed :lol-sign:

 

[Danefied]

Thanks for posting the video

 

[Dizzy]

Every time I read these dog laws in the US it really makes me thankful for where we can go here.

Seriously it is something that would actually put me off moving to the US or any other country with similar laws.

You can pretty much walk down the street here without your dog on a lead (granted if you do you're risking the law as dogs must be under control) and I see a LOT of dogs walking along off lead at their owners heels... everywhere.

We can't take them IN places (shops, restaurants etc), and there are some parks which prohibit dogs (but usually just a fenced off kids play area - the rest is fair game). And we obviously have the 'right to roam' - which means we can access public highways and byways across most of out countryside. They ask dogs to be on the lead near livestock or you risk your dog being shot - but again it's "under control" that is the key.

I can go to pretty much any park, beach (some have areas dogs are prohibited from in the summer months, but never year round, and if you walk 100 yards down the beach you're ok), fields, commons....

The only other laws are about having a collar and name tag (yet this is NEVER enforced EVER - Bodhi hasn't had a collar on all week, and never ever wears a tag).

You have to scoop your poop or you get fined (if someone is there to fine you). That's a GOOD law, I fully back!!!

I guess the area we fail is the banned breeds (dogo, fila, pit and tosa). But you can't win em all!

I can honestly say, that while there are always incidents between dogs - whether you're in a park or not that is NEVER going to change.

If your dog is out of control (and that can be barking at, jumping at) a person or another dog then you risk a report being put in and your dog being PTS. It doesn't matter WHERE you go, there is an incentive to keep your dog under control. And no, not everyone does. Bodhi has snarked at other dogs before now, and she has had dogs snark at her... it's life. It's the risk you run being around dogs you do not know.

I'd NEVER stop walking her. Being walked on lead just is not an option for us, to me I may as well not bother walking her at all if she can't be let off.

 

[NicoleLJ]

Thanks for posting the video

Your quite welcome

 

[Dogs6]

Every time I read these dog laws in the US it really makes me thankful for where we can go here.

Seriously it is something that would actually put me off moving to the US or any other country with similar laws.

You can pretty much walk down the street here without your dog on a lead (granted if you do you're risking the law as dogs must be under control) and I see a LOT of dogs walking along off lead at their owners heels... everywhere.

We can't take them IN places (shops, restaurants etc), and there are some parks which prohibit dogs (but usually just a fenced off kids play area - the rest is fair game). And we obviously have the 'right to roam' - which means we can access public highways and byways across most of out countryside. They ask dogs to be on the lead near livestock or you risk your dog being shot - but again it's "under control" that is the key.

I can go to pretty much any park, beach (some have areas dogs are prohibited from in the summer months, but never year round, and if you walk 100 yards down the beach you're ok), fields, commons....

The only other laws are about having a collar and name tag (yet this is NEVER enforced EVER - Bodhi hasn't had a collar on all week, and never ever wears a tag).

You have to scoop your poop or you get fined (if someone is there to fine you). That's a GOOD law, I fully back!!!

I guess the area we fail is the banned breeds (dogo, fila, pit and tosa). But you can't win em all!

I can honestly say, that while there are always incidents between dogs - whether you're in a park or not that is NEVER going to change.

If your dog is out of control (and that can be barking at, jumping at) a person or another dog then you risk a report being put in and your dog being PTS. It doesn't matter WHERE you go, there is an incentive to keep your dog under control. And no, not everyone does. Bodhi has snarked at other dogs before now, and she has had dogs snark at her... it's life. It's the risk you run being around dogs you do not know.

I'd NEVER stop walking her. Being walked on lead just is not an option for us, to me I may as well not bother walking her at all if she can't be let off.

All of this!

 

[Renee750il]

If your dog is out of control (and that can be barking at, jumping at) a person or another dog then you risk a report being put in and your dog being PTS.

WOW! That one's a bit draconian

 

[Dizzy]

WOW! That one's a bit draconian

The law is there "out of control" - it's up to the person how that is defined. It's highly unlikely your dog would be pts for jumping on someone

But, the law is loose.

Section 3(1) Dangerous Dogs Act 1991

This part of the Dangerous Dogs Act applies to every single dog in England & Wales, no matter whether it is a pure bred dog, cross or a mongrel and regardless of its size.


This is a criminal offence which can be brought against the owner of a dog (and if different the person in charge of a dog) if a dog is:
dangerously out of control
in a public place

'Dangerously out of control' is defined as being 'on any occasion on which there are grounds for reasonable apprehension that it will injure any person'. Generally, if a dog bites someone then it will be presumed to have been dangerously out of control.

I don't want to be arguing in court what 'out of control' means.

 

[Doberluv]

I just got back home to north Idaho from being in Seattle for about 3 weeks. First thing I noticed (or rather, Jose` noticed) was 4 or 5 piles of bear poop in my yard. For the whole next day, when I let the dogs out, they'd sniff the air and look toward the woods behind my yard and growl/bark. Now, the bear seems to know we're home and is staying away.

But, I run a risk every time I let my dogs out the front door or go out myself. If a bear is in my yard or back in the woods and the dogs were to run toward it, they could get swiped or chased. They could even bring the bear, following them back to me. Everytime I go hiking in the woods...pretty much every day, I am putting my dogs and myself at risk. One time, Toker ran toward the area where apparently a fawn was and it's mother stalked and threatened us all the way back down the trail. That was freaky. :yikes: So, yeah, there are risks. But my dogs love the places they go and in 10 years (knock on wood) nothing terrible has happened here. When I told one neighbor about one area I had hiked, he told me I was ballzy. Then I thought to myself, hmmm...maybe that's why I never see another soul on that trail. LOL.

I'm not a fan of dog parks because dogs will be dogs. But if people are responsible with their dogs and careful, if it's not too crowded, I guess it would be okay. I prefer to find some place off by myself. But I guess in a city, there aren't too many choices. In Seattle when I visit, I walk them on a leash and everything is fine. They still enjoy it. They just can't run and explore a lot.

I've only been to a dog park once. It was when I was visiting my sister. That was with Lyric, my Doberman when he was young. There was only one other dog there....a corgi, plus my sister's dog, a sheltie. He played with the dogs and they got along great. It was a small park. There was a small field with a picnic table and a trail through a woodsy place around the edges.

I think blanket statements, implying all or nothing are stupid. LOL. I'm sure there are good parks and bad, smart dog owners and stupid, just like with everything else.

 

[Archie's Mom]

Wow...Can I get an award or something for reading all the posts on this thread?opcorn:

Ok something that has not been mentioned as a reason to avoid dog parks:

Most responsible owners of "Pit Bull type dogs" should know to avoid dog parks because even if their well behaved dog doesn't start the fight they will more than likely end it should one start and it wont be pretty in any way, shape or form.

The Pit will be blamed even if not at fault and then the media jumps in with it's "Viscous Pit Bull attacks" BS.:yikes:

The community reacts with threats of enacting BSL. Now all the rest of us, Bully breed owners,(and dogs that look the type) are left dealing with the ramifications of this one incident.

This, along with other reasons previously posted, is why those of us with Bully breed dogs are so passionately against Dog parks.

Now that being said.....The dog park in my town is the 2 acre square, fenced, nothing to do but interact with other dogs type. Not nice. I'm jealous of the big hiking, river runs through it parks you guys have. Not that I would take Archie there but I understand why you would. Would I take my dog if he weren't a Pit Bull? Probably not but to each his own.

And for the record I know Kady05 and Teal from another forum and they are not rude people.

And to Dizzy, "Oh well, it's horses for courses I suppose"! Got to love British speak.

 

[Linds]

Would I take my dog if he weren't a Pit Bull? Probably not but to each his own.

:hail:

And that is pretty much how I like most things to stand.

That being said, I have no issue with either of Kady or Teal. I just can not for the life of me understand blanket statements like the ones made and am still waiting for an answer on how using one makes an owner lazy point blank.

You know though, as a thought: Having a handout, flyer or sign at the front of the entrance of a dog park (at ours it could be a packet in the spot all the Forest Preserve maps are in) that explains in pictures dog's body language might not be a bad idea. If only because people like to grab and read things and it might stick in there head whether they want it to or not.

Because I tend to see less of a "Don't care" attitude and more of a "But a wagging tail ALWAYS means he's happy!!"

 

[Archie's Mom]

:hail:



You know though, as a thought: Having a handout, flyer or sign at the front of the entrance of a dog park (at ours it could be a packet in the spot all the Forest Preserve maps are in) that explains in pictures dog's body language might not be a bad idea. If only because people like to grab and read things and it might stick in there head whether they want it to or not.

Because I tend to see less of a "Don't care" attitude and more of a "But a wagging tail ALWAYS means he's happy!!"

Not a bad Idea.

 

[Renee750il]

Graphic signs like you describe at the entrance and posted in a few places inside a dog park would be a wonderful idea!

 

[Brattina88]

You know though, as a thought: Having a handout, flyer or sign at the front of the entrance of a dog park (at ours it could be a packet in the spot all the Forest Preserve maps are in) that explains in pictures dog's body language might not be a bad idea. If only because people like to grab and read things and it might stick in there head whether they want it to or not.

Because I tend to see less of a "Don't care" attitude and more of a "But a wagging tail ALWAYS means he's happy!!"

Not a bad Idea.

You know what, we have these plastered all over the training center I take Maddie and Bailey to.
The only time I've been to an actual 'busy' dog park was with the training group -- I was so relieved to have as many eyes as possible watching for the actual warning signs made me relax a little. And also the support for each other, not a hesitation to tell the other person "call your dog!" and knowing when to leave... That should all be on said flier IMHO! Very Good idea!

 

[Renee750il]

Even the most easy going dog can reach an end to patience. When your dog isn't having fun or is showing signs of frustration, LEAVE.

It's just like training; always end on a high note.

 

[Chewbecca]

OK, just so you all are aware, Kady (and I, and most responsible pit bull owners) were taught NEVER to take our pit bulls to dog parks. We did not enter the dog world with breeds that are ok to take to dog parks.
We were taught from day one, dog parks are NO GOOD for pit bulls.

My dogs will NEVER see a dog park. EVER.
But do I care if other people take their non- pit bull dogs to dog parks?
NO.
Why?
Because I won't ever have to worry about my dogs running into a large number of random dogs that they are unfamiliar with at one time.

 

[Renee750il]

I agree with Becca. Even if my APBT were okay with a dog park if anything were to happen, even if she were on the other side of the park, it would become another Pit Bull Incident.

That's just the way the world works right now, sadly. We aren't responsible for protecting only our dogs, but for the entire breed/type.