Little Known Belgian Tervuren Facts

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1. - They can NOT have corn or wheat based products
2. - Chicken does not go well with their pancreas, over time they will have serious problems
3. - They need consistant socilization or they will become aggresive or extremely shy
4. - They are unreal smart, and catch on to things you didn't even know that you trained them.. ie. - what swear words mean lol
5. - They think they are a teacup poodle size, so sitting on your lap on the couch is completely fine for them
6. - They are very territorial and will defend if need be.
(Riot decided to not let my sister in the house once because she was wearing a hat)
7. - They dont do well in heat, they prefer cool temperatures; air conditioning is a must, or a kiddy pool
8. - They are a one person dog ie - good luck telling them what to do if your a stranger to them
9. - Their minds need to be constantly proded with new ideas and adventures or they will grow very bored and decide to rip everything of yours into such small pieces it would be impossible to sew back together.
(Riot didn't get his walk for the day so chewed the heel completely out of Ryans Luggs [$100+ boots])
and finally..
10. - Leaving your Belgian behind means a howling fit because they "miss their mommy" lol (Riot likes to announce to the neighbours I've left him for a few hours lol)
 

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4. - They are unreal smart, and catch on to things you didn't even know that you trained them.. ie. - what swear words mean lol
My brother-in-law and sister-in-law had a Belgian Sheep dog that was wickedly smart. She would go to the front door to bark, simulating the arrival of guests. Then, when they went to check to see who was there, she would double back to grab the food off the kitchen counter. How about that-- a dog that hatches a plan where she creates a diversion, then sneaks back to score herself a tasty snack!
 
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My brother-in-law and sister-in-law had a Belgian Sheep dog that was wickedly smart. She would go to the front door to bark, simulating the arrival of guests. Then, when they went to check to see who was there, she would double back to grab the food off the kitchen counter. How about that-- a dog that hatches a plan where she creates a diversion, then sneaks back to score herself a tasty snack!
One of the dog trainer at petsmart had a belgian she use to bring with her to the store everyday as a example dog in her training classes. He always growled at me and I didn't know why. No other dogs growl at me like that. Never quite figured that one out.
 
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This was more then likely a "fear" reaction. Thats exactly what Riot does to people he doesn't want to go near him because hes scared of them.
Oh. Man he had it wrong. I'm nothing to fear.
 

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The Belgian I knew was a total sweetheart. She was not at all fearful, or aggressive. Just crafty.
 

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4. - They are unreal smart, and catch on to things you didn't even know that you trained them
Dante learned quite young that when I picked up a cigarette (I know I know :eek: ) that we were going outside.
Sometimes I think he's smarter than I am. These hearding breeds....gotta love 'em!!
 
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Dante learned quite young that when I picked up a cigarette (I know I know :eek: ) that we were going outside.
Sometimes I think he's smarter than I am. These hearding breeds....gotta love 'em!!
Smoker!!
 

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Not trying to discredit you or anything of the sort but, I'm curious, where did you learn these facts? What are your sources? Have any links I can read at?

I love Belgians... I'd like to learn more...
 

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I have a Belgian Tervuren. They are learned experience :)

I have learned them from my vet and other Belgian owners that i know, PLUS my every knowledgable Breeder :)

We learned recently that my Tervuren, Riot is now allergic to wheat. He had started to loose fur on the bridge of his nose, this was due to lots of wheat in the previous dog food he was on. :)

I have done a few searching around and I have yet to find a post on the net where it say that Belgians can't tolerate Wheat or corn. Its a learned fact from my breeder and vet. ;)
My breeder has a great website though that has amazing facts and information on belgians for you though! its www.ravenmasuque.com
 

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1. - They can NOT have corn or wheat based products
I would think that depends more on the individual dog and how close the lines are being bred as well. I know of many Belgians in my area that eat Eukanuba and do fine on it...not my choice of food of course;) It has Corn and I believe Wheat in it as well...that would be like my saying you can never feed a Rottweiler Turkey or Chicken as it will make them bloat...that may be a problem with "some" Rotties, not all.

2. - Chicken does not go well with their pancreas, over time they will have serious problems
Is that all Belgians or just your dog? I do know of some people who have thier Belgians on raw food diet and feed chicken...and have been doing so for years...funny. They also have them on chicken meal based kibbles with no problems even into old age.

3. - They need consistant socilization or they will become aggresive or extremely shy
That is a must for any dog.

4. - They are unreal smart, and catch on to things you didn't even know that you trained them.. ie. - what swear words mean lol
All dogs catch onto the tone of their owners voice, and body language. I hear this from all dog owners..:) Oh he just "knew" he was coming to the Vet office today...we even spell the word out and he just "knows" most times it's the actions of the owners leading up to the event.

5. - They think they are a teacup poodle size, so sitting on your lap on the couch is completely fine for them
Just depends on house rules and manners. My Newf's would do this as well if they could get away with it...same with my Dobe and Rottie....not breed specific at all:)
6. - They are very territorial and will defend if need be.
(Riot decided to not let my sister in the house once because she was wearing a hat)
That is normally a sign of poor socialization during the critical period. A puppy between the ages of 8 - 16 weeks should have introduced thier pups to odd walking people, people with hats, different races etc. It's crititcal for a puppy to imprint...a fear reaction is going to happen when the dog has never seen it before...it's called "fight or flight" response.

7. - They dont do well in heat, they prefer cool temperatures; air conditioning is a must, or a kiddy pool
Double coated breed, that's a given...with our Newf's we are able to blow all the undercoat out for summer to keep them coooler...or with a Newf we had years ago we shaved her to keep her cooler as she did not like being groomed. She did fantastic shaved and she was a double coated breed...she never had a "heat stroke" and lived to a ripe old age of almost 16

8. - They are a one person dog ie - good luck telling them what to do if your a stranger to them
Rottie's and Dobe can be one person dog as well...that's why I went extra lenths to socialize them properly and have other people play/work with them...my Rottie repsonds equally as well to my friends, family as she does to me.

9. - Their minds need to be constantly proded with new ideas and adventures or they will grow very bored and decide to rip everything of yours into such small pieces it would be impossible to sew back together.
Most dogs require mental stimulation. House manners and training are also very important in keeping a well behaved dog.

10. - Leaving your Belgian behind means a howling fit because they "miss their mommy"
That would be seperation anxiety, sometimes a learned response to how their owner go about departures. Sometimes it's just an exceptionally stressed dog and I have heard/seen dogs of all breeds suffer from seperation anxiety..especially insecure dogs or dogs that have gone through mulitiple homes. There are desensitizing techniques you could follow. I have seen many owners create a dog with seperation anxiety due to how they depart...oh my poor baby,your going to miss mommy arent you...poor little baby...the dog picks up on this new demeaner of their owner and become insecure.

You can't base an entire breed on one dog...I know many people with Belgians and they have never had any of the above complaints.:)
 

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You can't base an entire breed on one dog...I know many people with Belgians and they have never had any of the above complaints.
ok.. i find some serious offence to your post. I found it rather rude, no offence.. BUT.. if you have ever looked UP the Belgian breed.. you will see that what i've said corespondse to the breed itself. No i am NOT basing my information just on Riot, but his personality is quite exact to the breed minus a few things.

have you EVER personally had the experience to own and train a Belgian? have you ever spoke to a reputable breeder about the belgian? Did you see your "friends' train their belgian?

I've seen a lot of your posts before and most are quite contraversal.

These are not complaints about the breed by the way, so i dont see why you think they are.
 

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Had to add some more now that I've had time to re-read and think over your previous post;
I would think that depends more on the individual dog and how close the lines are being bred as well. I know of many Belgians in my area that eat Eukanuba and do fine on it...not my choice of food of course It has Corn and I believe Wheat in it as well...that would be like my saying you can never feed a Rottweiler Turkey or Chicken as it will make them bloat...that may be a problem with "some" Rotties, not all.
It is possible that their breeder never informed them of this because I know Belgians over here do not to well on the wheat or corn. its not to say that they wont live on it.. kids could live on candy, but its definately not healthy for them. I just recently learned of this through another Belgian owner and my breeder. I dont know why your friends that have Belgians dont know this fact. and No its not just "lines up here" a friend of mine that owns a Belgian Tervuren imported hers straight from Belgium and the same thing applies.


Is that all Belgians or just your dog? I do know of some people who have thier Belgians on raw food diet and feed chicken...and have been doing so for years...funny. They also have them on chicken meal based kibbles with no problems even into old age.
This would also be newly learned information, so i thought I'd share to everyone. Apparently the Belgian Tervuren can have chicken, but if its fed to them daily they run the risk of having problems with their pancreas.
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3. - They need consistant socilization or they will become aggresive or extremely shy

That is a must for any dog.
yes it is, BUT.. some breeds are more PRONE to this behavouir then others. Ex. would be a Lab... without extreme socilization this breed can still thrive and be very lovable. but, if the beligan did not have consistant socilization they will NOT do well in the outside world beyond their backyard.

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4. - They are unreal smart, and catch on to things you didn't even know that you trained them.. ie. - what swear words mean lol

All dogs catch onto the tone of their owners voice, and body language. I hear this from all dog owners.. Oh he just "knew" he was coming to the Vet office today...we even spell the word out and he just "knows" most times it's the actions of the owners leading up to the event.
This part was meant to have humor in it.. obviously you didn't get that part.

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5. - They think they are a teacup poodle size, so sitting on your lap on the couch is completely fine for them

Just depends on house rules and manners. My Newf's would do this as well if they could get away with it...same with my Dobe and Rottie....not breed specific at all
Again.. humor.. but once again.. didn't catch on I guess.

That is normally a sign of poor socialization during the critical period. A puppy between the ages of 8 - 16 weeks should have introduced thier pups to odd walking people, people with hats, different races etc. It's crititcal for a puppy to imprint...a fear reaction is going to happen when the dog has never seen it before...it's called "fight or flight" response.
yes, thats a given fact. But, again, some breeds are prone to territorial actions then others. Our Sheltie would let anyone in the door, but Riot would be wary and unsure until he was told it was alright, YET both Shelties have not had as much socilization as Riot has, because this is something we are STILL working on.
Double coated breed, that's a given...with our Newf's we are able to blow all the undercoat out for summer to keep them coooler...or with a Newf we had years ago we shaved her to keep her cooler as she did not like being groomed. She did fantastic shaved and she was a double coated breed...she never had a "heat stroke" and lived to a ripe old age of almost 16
Thats fabulous for your Newfie and i'm glad she did well like that, but you can not shave a Belgian show dog. They'd end up looking like a Maly. So, obviously you'd have to go with other options. They do not tolerate heat well.

Rottie's and Dobe can be one person dog as well...that's why I went extra lenths to socialize them properly and have other people play/work with them...my Rottie repsonds equally as well to my friends, family as she does to me.
again, this doesn't completely apply to Riot, I just know that he'd respond better to me b/c of the fact that I trained him. The last comment, was supposed to have humor in it..guess you missed it.

9. - Their minds need to be constantly proded with new ideas and adventures or they will grow very bored and decide to rip everything of yours into such small pieces it would be impossible to sew back together.


Most dogs require mental stimulation. House manners and training are also very important in keeping a well behaved dog.
Alright, I'm saying here that if they aren't worked and just become another piece of furnature in the house, they will get destructive/very bored and think of things they can do on their own. Riot does not touch any of my things now(did when he was a small pup b/c he didn't know better then). And yes, your right - mental stimulation should be used on all dogs to keep them sharp.


That would be seperation anxiety, sometimes a learned response to how their owner go about departures. Sometimes it's just an exceptionally stressed dog and I have heard/seen dogs of all breeds suffer from seperation anxiety..especially insecure dogs or dogs that have gone through mulitiple homes. There are desensitizing techniques you could follow. I have seen many owners create a dog with seperation anxiety due to how they depart...oh my poor baby,your going to miss mommy arent you...poor little baby...the dog picks up on this new demeaner of their owner and become insecure.

You can't base an entire breed on one dog...I know many people with Belgians and they have never had any of the above complaints.
Again.. did you not see the slight humor in this? also, again.. yes some breeds are more prone to this then others. Ex. Cocker Spaniels. I have heard that this breed is slightly prone to it(this statement is from several cocker owners I know). I know when I leave the house, I have Riot stay at one end of the house and then I go, no fuss over him at all and he still sits by the door and lets out a howl.
 

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4. - They are unreal smart, and catch on to things you didn't even know that you trained them.. ie. - what swear words mean lol
My belgian shepherd (malinois) knows many things he learned him self among them opening doors.

6. - They are very territorial and will defend if need be.
(Riot decided to not let my sister in the house once because she was wearing a hat)
That is true but I guess it depends on the dog. Both my dogs are territorial. I guess now will come post that my dogs are not socialized correctly. ;) For both my dogs I am 100% they would defend especially malinois, he would probably fight to the end.

8. - They are a one person dog ie - good luck telling them what to do if your a stranger to them
I totaly agree with that. From my experiences (I had belgian shepherds since I was 12 so roughly for last 16 years) they are one man dog, no mather what you do. BTW I see no point that stranger, friends and so on can command my dog and it will obey.

Athebeau I belive you should socialize yourself a little, drop your attitude and get a sence of humor. For some comments you should at least own one belgian shepherd before you become expert.

People love to compare other breeds with their own but usually they are uncomparable.

Bye, Katja
 

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I was having fun. At least I enjoyed myself.:)

But, I did find your post to be a little extreme...there is not one description that fits all the dogs within one breed. I have seen so many dogs within one breed that vary greatly. That would be like my saying that all Newf's love to swim...which is not true.

I've seen a lot of your posts before and most are quite contraversal
What's wrong with that....???

have you EVER personally had the experience to own and train a Belgian? have you ever spoke to a reputable breeder about the belgian? Did you see your "friends' train their belgian?
my friends do schutzhound. I have watched them train and had fun watching/discussing.
 
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Did you notice there was a specific size of dog that Belgian Tervians are more likely to be aggressive too? Just curious.
 

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