Discussion in 'The Fire Hydrant' started by Greenmagick, Jun 19, 2014.
Also, past behaviors factor in to how we view/deem accidental vs neglectful.
Lady across the street has little children....one too young to potty train...and they are ALWAYS in the street, been brought home stark naked by police from around the block, constantly with no supervision what so ever. I mean they are in the street, around the corner, with NO ADULT EVEN OUTSIDE!
I know people in this neighborhood would look at it as neglect ON HER PART if one of her children were hit by a car. Someone else's child gets hit the same exact scenario? Ya...probably viewed an accident.
True, dead is dead but I agree with RTH about intent and IMO reputation/past behaviors is also a big factor.
So they chose to work(totally acceptable to do), accidentally passed out, and the child died.
Someone else chose to have a drink(totally acceptable to do), accidentally passed out, and the child died.
Hm. I just don't know. Is it illegal to be drunk and responsible for a minor? My dad is a drunk, but he was responsible enough to take care of me.
Both should have known that their choices (working too much or drinking) could cause them to pass out and not take care of the child, IMO. Just because someone is drinking alcohol, IMO, does not make them negligent or careless.
I guess I can't really debate with someone that can't see the difference between drinking till they pass out and someone working hard to put food on the table and falling asleep.
But aren't we arguing intent?
In my scenario, neither party intended on work and alcohol to cause them to pass out. Both overdid it on accident, and had full intention of being responsible for their children. Both are completely legal. Why does one get treated differently?
pretty much this!
I don't know many who have A drink and pass out but if you know it does that to you then you should wait until the kids are asleep. Drinking to the point of passing out especially when the kids are awake and need you to be taking care of them... NOT the same as working long hours to provide for them.
Working long hours to pay the bills= trying to take care of your responsibilities. Drinking to the point of passing out on your kids= NOT trying to take care of your responsibilities
how does one ACCIDENTLY drink too much?
If I accidentally forgot my dog in my car and he died a torturous death of heat stroke, y'all would vilify me. I'm sure most would hope for jail time. But if I do the same for my child, maybe a "do better with the next one" and a sympathetic pat on the back? Add me to Romy with being confused...
I already admitted I can't debate a topic like this with someone that can't easily discern the difference. I really can't
Maybe they don't drink much, wanted to have a glass or two of wine, didn't realize until they had passed out that it was too much for them?
"Then they shouldn't have drank so much while watching the kids if they didn't know how they would react!"
Then they shouldn't have worked a double shift for a couple of extra bucks if they didn't know how they would react.
I don't see one at all.
Both are accidents. Neither intended to let their child be harmed. Both are legal.
So what IS the difference, is what I'm asking you. I'm not arguing, I'm looking for an explanation.
would be nice if more people had the option to just turn down a shift without A) losing their jobs or B) not making ends meet.
Again, no where close to the same thing.
You're adding extra information to the scenario and assuming quite a bit.
No one's going to lose a job over it, they are making ends meet just fine. There was just an extra shift available and they had the time so they picked it up.
No more reading into it than that.
I wouldn't vilify you if you forgot your dog was in the car. accidents happen.
Back home a few years ago a guy dropped his wife and child off somewhere. it was raining very hard and he started to pull away and then realized he forgot to give them something or tell them something and backed up and accidently hit his child and the child died.
Should he go to jail? it was an accident.
well... I don't know anyone that willingly works a double shift just because they have time and someone who has kids doesn't generally just "have the time" so I call shenanigans lol
So instead of answering or thinking about it, you're just going to say, "That could never happen." Of course it could.
yeah pretty much. again if you can't see the difference between a job and alcohol determining the outcome, we are at an impasse. I honestly don't know how else to put it. But personally... I wouldn't convict for someone working a job.
I partake myself ... but I know how my body reacts and if I went to the point where I couldn't take care of my child... I"M AT FAULT!
Every single step that is taken on the way to the outcome to me is part of the story and yes, part of how I feel about the situation. If its part of a pattern of neglectful and irresponsible choices that is very different from one accident. It just is....
Life is not black and white, its all varying shades of grey.
Agreed. Perfectly stated.
You put it all in a tidy nut shell vs anything I could ramble on with.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm willing to bet many of us would feel horrible for YOU, not blame you, and I'd be appalled if there were criminal charges against you.
Why? Because you have a pattern of good, loving, responsible dog ownership......at least what we know of you. I know you would be punishing yourself enough to not need outside help with it.
I could not say that about every chazzer I've known........there have been some I would have automatically assumed it was more irresponsible behavior to the list.
Same with parents I know, or the picture that is painted of them.