Labrador Breeder

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by Spirit2010, May 23, 2008.

  1. cavlover12

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    I personally think that dog is much too short. But, this is why we have such a huge breed split. Some people prefer their dogs to be able to do what they were bred to do and others don't. I rather prefer the looks of these dogs (sorry the page is in Dutch) http://www.melicmark.dk/hunde.htm



    (ZOMG am I turning into a "lab person"??...I'm sure posting like one :yikes: )
     
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    Why do you like that in a lab? That dog is not built to be able to do what labs were meant to do. Do you think that people who hunt with their labs and do field trials should no longer be able to do so? To do rigorous field work with a dog that heavy would be cruelty IMO. Reminds me of a small newf with less hair. I personally like dogs to be athletic and at least be physically capable of doing their job. (or any job.. that dog could do obed (though I might worry about the jumps on hard footing) and tracking, but not agility, disc dog, dock dog, or flyball...or anything athletic.

    Each to their own. IMO dogs like this are more harmful to a breed. All the do is 'look' nice. Oh and black has ALWAYS been allowed.

    And if you have ever watched a surgery-even dogs with the shadow of ribs showing (in a fit way-not a starved way) have a nice cushion of fat on them. Every single conf lab I have seen ROLLS as they gait. I have put my hands on them, they are squishy-not firm. And these are the winning ones too. IMO no dogs would be bred to be unhealthily fat and unathletic. Even toy breeds.

    Homer Simpson should not be a breed's roll model for shape :p
     
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    Black was one of the original colors and white markings used to be accepted. Two of the dogs commonly held to be foundation stock had white markings on the chest and toes...even today Labs can have what is called "Bolo marks" which are white spots on the backs of the legs and pads, which can be traced to a dog named Bolo, one of the first dual Champs in Labs.

    ETA: The link I posted above, once I figured out how to look at a bigger picture...some of their dogs are more along the lines of what I like, some are trending towards short and heavy as well.
     
  5. cavlover12

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    Well that labrador isn't heavy big boned yes she is at her reccomended weight of 25-32kg. To me i just do not like labradors that resamble the weimaraner.

    Why do i like that in a lab? cause i do she is well conformed and doesn't look like a weimaraner body. I believe in the standard just cause a dog is bigger boned doesn't mean they can't do there work, They might not be as fast but they will do it. I was after a pet not work and from what i read english labs make better pets then field, English mature early then the field, English are also more laid back,placid so there for easier to train. My Amber is only 8 weeks old and is already getting the sit comand down. She will be 9 weeks on wednesday. To me labs shouldn't be too lean it just makes them look like a crossbred to me.
     
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    Have you looked at the pics of the orginal labs? The heavy boned (and fat) dogs don't work for a reason. They can't, or won't. Its too hard on them, they need to be athletic. Its like a riding horse vs a draft horse. A working lab must be agile and athletic. They are not carting dogs who need that mass to pull. Then need to be able to negotiate different terrian and work all day. Be able to get in and out of a boat. (with out tipping it or giving the hunter a hernia)

    Conformation standard change to match what is winning in the ring. If what was winning in the ring was also the best conformation for the original purpose (working) of the dog then there wouldn't be two distinct types.

    This is a bit of a sore spot with me. Jack Russells and Fox terriers were the same breed a hundred years ago. A fox terrier is now useless for its original purpose. Even if a FT had the drive to hunt, it is now physically unable. Did the conformation changes make it a better pet? healthier? NOPE it was changed to meet the whims of fashion in the conf ring.

    Some breeds are worse than others. Labs are 'known' for this.

    I have heard (and noticed myself) that the field labs tend to be easier to train. But the stocky drafty labs seem to be calmer (which is good, can you imagine what damage they could do to themselves if they tried to leap around :yikes:) This dog is too heavy to be much use IMO Personally I like this dog, still has bone-but could be much more athletic. Not likely to be a big winner in the ring from what I have seen.
     
  7. jess2416

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    I personally like this one I wish there would have been a actual standing pic of him
     
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    ohh Jess I like that one too. Very fit looking. To athletic though-would likely get laughed out of the conf ring.
     
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    I am not really a lab person, I don't care for the conformation look or the field look actually (though I do love Virgo's look, she seems to have more substance then the field lines I've seen, but isn't so thick as the confo. lines).

    I have only seen one lab that I would actually like to own, she was at an AKC event (though she definitally would have been laughed out of the ring) and was competing in obedience. She was much shorter then the field lines (some I've seen have looong legs, doesn't even look purebred), but wasn't bulky at all like the show labs. She had clear muscle tone, you could see a hint of rib, but definitally looked like she'd do fine in cold waters. I swear, I have never seen a dog get so many complements before in my whole life, people talking outside the ring about the dog, and actually walking up and complementing the owner. I just wish I could remember the name of the kennel that was on the handler's shirt, but it was years ago and I didn't even think about writing it down. *smacks self with newspaper*
     
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    Wow, I love him!
     
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    Virgo, for all that she looks to be "thin", handles cold water just fine. I wondered about that, but after watching her purposefully break through ice in order to go swimming, I quit wondering and just started watching. She'll do 2 hours straight without a second thought...if I quit throwing the ball so she'll take a breather, she just paddles around on her own for the sheer love of being in the water.

    If you think she looks thin though, go take a look at the dogs that do Dock Diving.
     
  12. Squishy22

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    Now THAT lab is absolutely perfect in my mind. Not too short and stocky. Awesome tuck. Hes got perfect height to him. And he absolutely does NOT look like a weimeraner, lol. He looks like he could be a badass worker... unlike some labs in posted in this thread.

    Those labs Zoom posted look pretty good too.

    My opinion anyway. ;)

    Now I'm posting like a lab person and I dont even own one!!! :yikes:
     
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    lol, he is perfect! I love him. The standard for Labs is probably hard to judge, because they have gotten so popular??? Everyone has a different view of them, and likes a different build on them. But I don't like the ones that are too thick, or fat. The ones like this yellow boy are stunning. But, I am learning a lot more about Labs, because everyone has a different view! They should change the standard? I don't know.
     
  14. Squishy22

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    Well, breeding should be about preserving the breed... not to change it to what you think is visual pleasing. Thats how I see it!!
     
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    I agree about what you said. (sometimes I can't get out what I really mean)
     
  16. HarleyD

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    I agree with Reggin as well. It's about preseving (and bettering the health/abilities) the breed. If you start changing things because it's what you like, but not breed standards then you basically become a byb of sorts.
     
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    Maybe its a show thing? You look at a lot of breeds and the show lines compared to the working lines.

    Border Collies
    Kelpies (a bench kelpie is almost unrecognisable next to a working kelpie)
    labradors

    All show lines seem shorter and stockier and that alone would limit their working ability imo.
     
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    I've found it isn't just a show thing, it's tends to be people to breed for looks and only looks.

    I know in the Alapaha world there are two main types: one is lighter, longer muzzles, bred to work but still bred to the physical standard set by the woman who started the breed. The other has a "bully" look (shorter muzzles, heavier, often front end issues). Not only do these two types of Alapahas look very different, but they also have different working abilities. The latter gets gassed WAY quicker than the one that is lighter with a longer muzzle.

    I think it would be fantastic if the two side could get together and quit fighting, but the thing is one side is fighting for health and working ability, while the other is fighting for what type is easier to sell. THAT is where it gets sad to me. When a dog can't effectively, and healthily, work for it's original purpose.
     

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