Labrador Breeder
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I'm sorry. Again...I am new to forums. I am referring to the person bashing the chocolate lab about being out of condition and heavy. Maybe my comment popped up in the wrong place. I would never put down anyone's dog. To put down someone's dog would be like talking badly about one's child or loved one.
Yeah, that would be me. Since you're new to forums.. there is a little "QUOTE" button on the bottom right of posts. Unless you can remember someone's username and use it to address them, use the quote button so people know who you're talking to, unless you've posted directly below the person you're replying to. You can also copy + paste their words and when replying use the "Wrap
tags around selected text" icon to quote their words.
I'm going to assume it's me, since Erica has a) a corgi mix and b) a BC, and neither of them look anything like a lab, whereas mine does.
Midnight, the dog in my avatar and signature, is an English Springer Spaniel mix. Like the dog in my link, they usually have some white on their chests - or the rest of their bodies, for that matter. His other half is actually a Heinz 57 - aka "MUTT." His dad could have some Pointer in him, or maybe some Labrador. We don't really know. In any case, I didn't buy him from a breeder. If you want to know more about his history and the breeds we suspect him to possibly contain in his genetic makeup, feel free to just ask.
I find it amusing you mentioned it in attempt to be non-confrontational.
I fail to see how it is relevant to the discussion when he is not a lab (or even if he was one) and I can't help his color but I can do something about his physical condition. The only way I see it being relevant is for you to get the desired response that, yes, my dog has white on him which is a fault for Labrador Retrievers, and then to bash my dog under the notion that I was bashing relatives of your dogs, OR to tell me that I am not allowed to comment on other peoples' dogs when mine has a fault. Am I correct? If not, could you please explain why my dog's coloring is relevant to the discussion?
I shall PM you the list.. I try to keep things organized. Yes, I am joking.
That's part of what we do on forums, we share our opinions. It's a natural part of communication. If you don't want to hear my or anyone else's opinions that is what the "ignore" button is for. Otherwise, it is a given that you will be reading opinions from time to time.
If by attacking and bashing you mean an observation on her physical condition, which to me is an important part of choosing a breeder, then yes. And as a breeder I certainly HOPE he loves each of his animals - it would be a huge red flag if he didn't. I know in our culture the word "fat" is used as an insult.... but the only way I ever use the term is as it is intended. I am sorry I offended you.
Just curious, but as you supposedly own one of his dogs and know this breeder well.... wouldn't you know if he has children or not? Just wondering. (You might be on to something Charlie.)
I'm going to assume it's me, since Erica has a) a corgi mix and b) a BC, and neither of them look anything like a lab, whereas mine does.
Midnight, the dog in my avatar and signature, is an English Springer Spaniel mix. Like the dog in my link, they usually have some white on their chests - or the rest of their bodies, for that matter. His other half is actually a Heinz 57 - aka "MUTT." His dad could have some Pointer in him, or maybe some Labrador. We don't really know. In any case, I didn't buy him from a breeder. If you want to know more about his history and the breeds we suspect him to possibly contain in his genetic makeup, feel free to just ask.
I find it amusing you mentioned it in attempt to be non-confrontational.
I fail to see how it is relevant to the discussion when he is not a lab (or even if he was one) and I can't help his color but I can do something about his physical condition. The only way I see it being relevant is for you to get the desired response that, yes, my dog has white on him which is a fault for Labrador Retrievers, and then to bash my dog under the notion that I was bashing relatives of your dogs, OR to tell me that I am not allowed to comment on other peoples' dogs when mine has a fault. Am I correct? If not, could you please explain why my dog's coloring is relevant to the discussion? I shall PM you the list.. I try to keep things organized.
Yes, I am joking.That's part of what we do on forums, we share our opinions. It's a natural part of communication. If you don't want to hear my or anyone else's opinions that is what the "ignore" button is for. Otherwise, it is a given that you will be reading opinions from time to time.
If by attacking and bashing you mean an observation on her physical condition, which to me is an important part of choosing a breeder, then yes. And as a breeder I certainly HOPE he loves each of his animals - it would be a huge red flag if he didn't. I know in our culture the word "fat" is used as an insult.... but the only way I ever use the term is as it is intended. I am sorry I offended you.
Just curious, but as you supposedly own one of his dogs and know this breeder well.... wouldn't you know if he has children or not? Just wondering. (You might be on to something Charlie.)
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Thanks for your input, TerrapinBrad.
I definitely sympathize with you, and I understand that many breeds end up being split between working and show breeders... it just happens. Especially in such a popular breed. One of my favorite breeds, Border Collies, are insanely split as well. Border Collie people face the same dilemma; working dogs don't really stand a chance in the show ring. I know that sides have to be taken, in these cases, and I do usually tend to side with working breeders. I feel that form does follow function, but working ability should be first and foremost (besides temperament and health), IMHO.
I totally agree with you, that a happy medium should be the goal of every breeder. And I'm not saying the breeder in question is a bad person, or a bad breeder, because of the type of Labs that they choose to produce. Their health checks, and showing, and contracts, and all of that is great. I just don't agree with the show Lab trend of dogs who are overly stout. Plenty of people here love his dogs, I think they're adorable, but I'm not a fan of the type. We all have opinions, and we all choose sides, to some extent. I'm definitely NOT a Lab expert, though... so... my opinion may not mean much, it's just how I feel.
I think Liddy is a beautiful Labby girl. I really love her head, it's very classic, and what I think of when I think of Labs. And she looks like she's in awesome shape! She reminds me a LOT of my favorite Lab in the world. He's my friend (Sarah's) dog, Buck. He's from working parents, and I'm pretty sure he has some show lines, as well. (Hopefully she won't sue me for posting theeese...)
Buck & his sister. He's in yellow.
I definitely sympathize with you, and I understand that many breeds end up being split between working and show breeders... it just happens. Especially in such a popular breed. One of my favorite breeds, Border Collies, are insanely split as well. Border Collie people face the same dilemma; working dogs don't really stand a chance in the show ring. I know that sides have to be taken, in these cases, and I do usually tend to side with working breeders. I feel that form does follow function, but working ability should be first and foremost (besides temperament and health), IMHO.
I totally agree with you, that a happy medium should be the goal of every breeder. And I'm not saying the breeder in question is a bad person, or a bad breeder, because of the type of Labs that they choose to produce. Their health checks, and showing, and contracts, and all of that is great. I just don't agree with the show Lab trend of dogs who are overly stout. Plenty of people here love his dogs, I think they're adorable, but I'm not a fan of the type. We all have opinions, and we all choose sides, to some extent. I'm definitely NOT a Lab expert, though... so... my opinion may not mean much, it's just how I feel.
I think Liddy is a beautiful Labby girl. I really love her head, it's very classic, and what I think of when I think of Labs. And she looks like she's in awesome shape! She reminds me a LOT of my favorite Lab in the world. He's my friend (Sarah's) dog, Buck. He's from working parents, and I'm pretty sure he has some show lines, as well. (Hopefully she won't sue me for posting theeese...)
Buck & his sister. He's in yellow.
About the breeder discussed in this thread. I can see where their friend would get defensive, but when someone posts a breeder or considers going to a certain breeder, I think its fair that they get honest opinions. I dont think the breeder is evil or a bad person... or the dogs for that matter.
Okay. So you do know whether he has kids or not but you used a figure of speech to describe his.. hypothetical.. kids. *blink* And my question about you knowing whether he has kids or not is getting into his personal life... but your figure of speech, bringing his children into the discussion in the first place wasn't. *blinkblink*
And you're not going to answer this? vv
And you're not going to answer this? vv
I find it amusing you mentioned it in attempt to be non-confrontational. I fail to see how it is relevant to the discussion when he is not a lab (or even if he was one) and I can't help his color but I can do something about his physical condition. The only way I see it being relevant is for you to get the desired response that, yes, my dog has white on him which is a fault for Labrador Retrievers, and then to bash my dog under the notion that I was bashing relatives of your dogs, OR to tell me that I am not allowed to comment on other peoples' dogs when mine has a fault. Am I correct? If not, could you please explain why my dog's coloring is relevant to the discussion?
I fail to see how it is relevant to the discussion when he is not a lab (or even if he was one) and I can't help his color but I can do something about his physical condition. The only way I see it being relevant is for you to get the desired response that, yes, my dog has white on him which is a fault for Labrador Retrievers, and then to bash my dog under the notion that I was bashing relatives of your dogs, OR to tell me that I am not allowed to comment on other peoples' dogs when mine has a fault. Am I correct? If not, could you please explain why my dog's coloring is relevant to the discussion?
I can not believe this. I was not ever going to get on this site again....but could not help but wait to hear what you had to say. Geesh....no he does not have children of the human kind. Let's leave it at that. I was only defending a friend!!!! I'm sure you'd do the same. I am sorry for asking about the white spot. I thought for a moment about your beautiful dog and was wondering if it was a full blooded Lab....that's all.
I have been so turned off by this forum. What is the intent of this forum anyway?
When I said that It was not meant to be confrontational.........that's what I meant. Thank you for clearing up that your dog is part springer.
I have been so turned off by this forum. What is the intent of this forum anyway?
When I said that It was not meant to be confrontational.........that's what I meant. Thank you for clearing up that your dog is part springer.
I can not believe this. I was not ever going to get on this site again....but could not help but wait to hear what you had to say. Geesh....no he does not have children of the human kind. Let's leave it at that. I was only defending a friend!!!! I'm sure you'd do the same.
If you read my post again I think you'll find that I wasn't asking you more questions about his kids or lack of them - simply making a statement to sum up our exchange.
I have been so turned off by this forum. What is the intent of this forum anyway?
To talk about dogs. However, we're all very trigger-happy about trolls.. and quite frankly.. when it looks like a troll, talks like a troll, and uses the same excuses as MANY of the troll invasions we had last fall... yes we get confrontational. We seem to attract posters who just happen to know someone we are talking about, whether the talk is good or bad, who just "happen" to join as soon as they see the thread. Considering the relatively small number of guests who typically view the forum and the comparatively massive number of people who "just happen" to know a breeder and want to rudely defend him/her... yes, I am skeptical. I really do think anyone with a history on this board who frequently reads stuff like this (on this and other forums.. again, ones with an even smaller number of viewers x day) would be.
When I said that It was not meant to be confrontational.........that's what I meant. Thank you for clearing up that your dog is part springer.
If you read my post again I think you'll find that I wasn't asking you more questions about his kids or lack of them - simply making a statement to sum up our exchange.
I have been so turned off by this forum. What is the intent of this forum anyway?
To talk about dogs. However, we're all very trigger-happy about trolls.. and quite frankly.. when it looks like a troll, talks like a troll, and uses the same excuses as MANY of the troll invasions we had last fall... yes we get confrontational. We seem to attract posters who just happen to know someone we are talking about, whether the talk is good or bad, who just "happen" to join as soon as they see the thread. Considering the relatively small number of guests who typically view the forum and the comparatively massive number of people who "just happen" to know a breeder and want to rudely defend him/her... yes, I am skeptical. I really do think anyone with a history on this board who frequently reads stuff like this (on this and other forums.. again, ones with an even smaller number of viewers x day) would be.
When I said that It was not meant to be confrontational.........that's what I meant. Thank you for clearing up that your dog is part springer.
If you really had thought my dog was beautiful, you could have said so. Instead, the one dog in signatures or avatars of people who weren't only saying positive things about the Labs who actually bears some resemblance to the breed we're discussing gets picked out.. and a fault for the breed is commented on. If you had really 'wanted to know' if he was a Lab or not, once again.. you could have asked.
Your argument is looking pretty flimsy from my perspective.
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My mums parents used to breed labradors back then black labs were not allowed only yellow labs. All there labs were the english breed short and stocky back then no one was really into the field labs. Around here in my area if they see a lab like virgo they always ask if it is crossed with another dog, People in this area like the look of the more stocky kind. I like lean dogs like the weimaraners,boxers & gsp but to me labradors shouldn't be bred lean they should be stocky and have some weight on them. If my lab looked something like Einstein my golden retriever people around here would think its a crossbred.
Maybe this guy has been busy and his dogs haven't been excerised for a few days and have gained weight, If you know labs are known for obesity problems specially if feed to much. I know how hard it is as my golden Einstein was overweight he weighed 45kgs he now weighs 39kgs. My vet really doesn't want him to lose much more they like them when there 2kgs heavier, Reason being if they ever got sick they have that fat to back up on. All i know is get a dog that is at it reccomended weight say of 35kgs then get one the same breed that is 37-38kgs now say if they were sick for 2-3 weeks and wouldn't eat, The dog that had that 2-3kgs more weight would probably come out better then the one at its reccomnded weight. Thats the way i see it. Heres a story for you true story.
Einstein my golden retriever has had 2 paralysis ticks in his life the first paralysis tick didn't harm him he healed pretty first. The second paralysis tick almost killed him he weighed 52kgs when he weight in for that tick, He had 2 blood transfusions and an injection straight into the heart as his heart stopped and they had difficultiy getting it started again. He was in the vets for a week he refused to eat so began to loss weight really fast. By time we got him back we had to teach him how to walk again,we had to hold his back end up with a towel and walk with him. The vet said the only thing that made him pull through was the weight he was 52kgs when he went in and weighed 45kgs when he came out, so he had lost 7kgs might not sound like much. The vet said if he weighed 36kgs like he was meant to be he probably wouldn't have pulled through. I guess i was lucky but i have to be careful with him from now on, Cause of the injection in the heart he now has a bad heart so i'm not allowed to over excerise him or overfeed him. They said if he got another tick he wouldn't survive it lucky we have moved from that area where there are no paralysis ticks, But i'm still checking him over to make sure. Thsi all happened in his younger days he was 2 years old back then, He is now 9 years old turning 10 in septmeber. The vet also reckons he won't live past 10 cause of his heart but i don't believe that, His 9 now and isn't showing any signs of slowing down at all.
Maybe this guy has been busy and his dogs haven't been excerised for a few days and have gained weight, If you know labs are known for obesity problems specially if feed to much. I know how hard it is as my golden Einstein was overweight he weighed 45kgs he now weighs 39kgs. My vet really doesn't want him to lose much more they like them when there 2kgs heavier, Reason being if they ever got sick they have that fat to back up on. All i know is get a dog that is at it reccomended weight say of 35kgs then get one the same breed that is 37-38kgs now say if they were sick for 2-3 weeks and wouldn't eat, The dog that had that 2-3kgs more weight would probably come out better then the one at its reccomnded weight. Thats the way i see it. Heres a story for you true story.
Einstein my golden retriever has had 2 paralysis ticks in his life the first paralysis tick didn't harm him he healed pretty first. The second paralysis tick almost killed him he weighed 52kgs when he weight in for that tick, He had 2 blood transfusions and an injection straight into the heart as his heart stopped and they had difficultiy getting it started again. He was in the vets for a week he refused to eat so began to loss weight really fast. By time we got him back we had to teach him how to walk again,we had to hold his back end up with a towel and walk with him. The vet said the only thing that made him pull through was the weight he was 52kgs when he went in and weighed 45kgs when he came out, so he had lost 7kgs might not sound like much. The vet said if he weighed 36kgs like he was meant to be he probably wouldn't have pulled through. I guess i was lucky but i have to be careful with him from now on, Cause of the injection in the heart he now has a bad heart so i'm not allowed to over excerise him or overfeed him. They said if he got another tick he wouldn't survive it lucky we have moved from that area where there are no paralysis ticks, But i'm still checking him over to make sure. Thsi all happened in his younger days he was 2 years old back then, He is now 9 years old turning 10 in septmeber. The vet also reckons he won't live past 10 cause of his heart but i don't believe that, His 9 now and isn't showing any signs of slowing down at all.
When was black never allowed? Black has always been allowed...chocolate is a "newly" allowed color though.
That's got to be the worst excuse for keeping a dog fat I've ever heard. Because it "might" one day get sick? What about the damage that extra weight is doing to it's joints in the meantime? As far as humans go, each 1 lb of extra weight on a frame adds 4 lbs of dynamic pressure to the joints. I heard somewhere that for our pets, 1 lb of extra fat on them is like 15lbs of extra fat on us, which would be an extra 60 lbs of dynamic pressure.
There's a difference between "stocky" and "dumpy", IMO. I think Virgo is pretty stocky, espcially in her front. Her hind end has always seemed a little...like it belonged to another dog. But she's a bullmoose of a female Lab. I found another thread on Labs I was looking for, but all the pictures I was after have since been deleted. http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41152
This past weekend. BTW, Vic is not as emaciated as he looks, I caught him on the exhale:
That's got to be the worst excuse for keeping a dog fat I've ever heard. Because it "might" one day get sick? What about the damage that extra weight is doing to it's joints in the meantime? As far as humans go, each 1 lb of extra weight on a frame adds 4 lbs of dynamic pressure to the joints. I heard somewhere that for our pets, 1 lb of extra fat on them is like 15lbs of extra fat on us, which would be an extra 60 lbs of dynamic pressure.
There's a difference between "stocky" and "dumpy", IMO. I think Virgo is pretty stocky, espcially in her front. Her hind end has always seemed a little...like it belonged to another dog. But she's a bullmoose of a female Lab. I found another thread on Labs I was looking for, but all the pictures I was after have since been deleted. http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41152
This past weekend. BTW, Vic is not as emaciated as he looks, I caught him on the exhale:
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i'm not keeping my dog fat at all he is from show lines so is bigger boned and taller then some goldens. My guy isn't shown but his big boned and taller then some goldens, The goldens that are bred for hunting around here are smaller build then my dog. But when it comes to swimming my guy beats them paws down, My guy can go in 20 times and doesn't feel the cold,Where these smaller goldens feel the cold more they start to shiver within being in 5 times. What i'm saying is the stocky more big boned dogs could probably with stand the cold more so then the lean types. Like humans get a thin boned in the water they will feel the cold more then a human that is bigger boned. My golden is a very strong swimmer he might not be fast but he has the strength to keep going. My guy may tire out more then the smaller types on land but in water he is the best. I understand some people like the look of field labs i'm not one of them to me they don't look like a lab. My golden can stand to lose a bit more weight and i am working on that i also have to put into consideration his big boned body. The vet said 38kgs is his reccomended weight so i don't see how 1kg is going to make much difference. My dog hasn't got any joint problems at all not even arthritis which is good. I've heard of some people that exercise there dogs real well there at there reccomended weight and kept that way and have come down with joint problems. Over exercising can cause problems too not just overfeeding.